• calculo
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 4:46PM - in reply to Credit Limit
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      • Credit Limit wrote:~ that grainy clip shows 5 secs of the 2nd bend from the final and he is in lane 1 and being drafted
        is this a joke ???

        it shows good amount of prelim where he starts out in lane 1 & dead last makes ridiculous, ruinous sprint to catch up, then cruise thru to final

        that already wrecked him more than anyone else in prelim who made final !!!

        & he was ill that meet !!!

        the vid shows him just passing the black boy just after 550y & passing him wide, not inside, so obviously didn't run inside lane beforehand, or if he did, he made big swerve to get past him !!!

        ~ it shows nothing of bend 3
        is this a joke ???

        learn to think

        he was 4th at the bell !!!, with 2 guy wall in front with black-boy leading

        he was in lane 2 last we saw him approaching bell !!!

        this automatically inbuilds extra distance running wide when entering 3rd bend !!!

        the 2-kid wall ahead of him woudn't have just let him thru in lane 1 !!!

        he wouda had to run well wide of those 2 kids, likely hugely into lane 2, which is no shock as he was already in lane 2 last we see of him on 1st lap !!!

        It shows him at 500m on the curb being drafted
        is this a joke ???

        he is running wide of 2nd place guy on bend to overtake him !!!

        no drafting there

        No discernible extra distance
        is this a joke ???

        he was 4th at bell not just assumed from vid but reports

        but vid shows that just before bell he is in lane 2 !!!

        automatically extra run on 3rd bend !!!

        to get to anywhere close to leader by 500, he wouda had to have the 2 guys directly just let him thru ???

        why woud they do that ?!?!

        he wouda had to run hugely wide of them on 3rd bend & he already virtually certainly entered that well into lane 2 !!!

        ~ it shows some of last bend where he is tight on inside
        is this a joke ???

        it is Legend he crushed field by 660y !!!

        it was automatically 100% assumed he ran last 220y tight in lane 1 !!!

        why are you stating absolute absurdity ?

        who on earth wouda expected Ryun to have run wide on last 220y when well clear of field ???

        No extra distance
        is this a joke ?

        see above

        ~ no account of race has ever mentioned it as being windy
        is this utter total joke ???

        can't you observe a vid ???

        can you not analyse ???

        at 2'07 & then at 2'29 into vid, the pennants on infield are hugely shaking on the field, NOT motionless

        that is wrecking wind for a 2-laps !!!, likely ~ 1s if 0 wind !!!

        Offer reference or reliable source stating otherwise
        eh ???

        can't you observe ???

        what kind of analysis can you offer if you can't observe wind in a vid ???

        ~ he wasn't ill
        is this a joke ???

        were you his physician ???

        were you treating him in '66 ???

        here are his words :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTPCspfwCI

        You make it sound like he was dying
        he was in no shape to be running that day, let alone run 2 races !!!

        i'm sure you have medical qualification & were capable of offering opinion to Ryun's medical condition in '66

        impress the board ???

        So ill he ran 2 more races the next day
        no

        totally "flat" & 4'02+ next day for only individual race, when he woud run 3'51 barely month after when healthy !!!

        how come he coud only run 4'02+ on Terre Haute asphalt, but month+ later run 3'51.3 on dirt ???

        why coudn't he run 3'50 on Terre Haute asphalt ???

        Accounts of the race say he had a 'bit of a sore throat' and that he had 'a tremendous burst of energy' at 500yds
        is this a joke ???

        see above vid

        if you are a physician, then impress us with your counter-diagnosis

        ~ offer papers or reliable sources that show asphalt track was 'nowhere near as quick as '70s track'?
        is this a joke ???

        this rubbish got soft/sticky when weather was hot

        it also was rubbish as chipped/smashed after every race

        it needed repairing after every serious meet with filler as it got smashed apart

        joke track !!!

        impress us :

        where were asphalt tracks in major meets in '70 ???

        Total hyperbole
        is this a joke ???

        your post has been worst balderdash i have seen posted here !!!
    • Altered Image
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 6:36PM - in reply to calculo
      • Altered Image
      • Looks like someone has been over indulging in something.

        Ryun likes to add to his own myth with these anecdotes. Always has some reason why he didnt run faster. Its called rose tinted spectacles.
        He said at time he had a bit of a sore throat but felt great during race. He didn't have flu. You cant jog with flu never mind run 1.44.
        And he returned the next day to run 2 more races not 1. He won the mile, time irrelevant. The idea he must have been ill because he didnt run 3.51 is the most dumb excuse Ive heard. So every time someone runs 10 secs slower than pr they are ill?

        You dont run 4 races inside 48 hrs if your ill, period.

        The video of the 880 race in 66 is of the poorest quality and shows nothing to indicate the extra distance you would like him to have run, nor wind of any note.
        A source account of race or wind readings for sprints at meet are evidence. The poorest quality, highly edited recording which doesnt even look like its being played at the right speed doesnt tell us anything.
    • Flo'da boy
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 7:21PM - in reply to JRinaldi
      • Flo'da boy
      • JRinaldi wrote:
        Remember when Duane Solomon ran 1:43.88 at Mt. SAC in 2014?

        How much faster did he run that year?
        I'm not sure exactly how Murphy trains or periodizes but I believe Solomon worked under an Igloi type system with Johnny Gray. Based on what I've read on these boards, this type of training keeps you closer to peak fitness throughout, but can also make it difficult to correctly time a specific peak
    • sundown
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 7:28PM - in reply to Noble Kane
      • sundown
      • Makh had non-ideal splits in the 2:13. Just go back and look. They were all over the map.
    • ThatAverageRunner
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 7:35PM - in reply to sundown
      • ThatAverageRunner
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      • What if Ventolin / calculo is actually Jim Ryun?
    • calculo
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/21/2017 8:23PM - in reply to Altered Image
      • calculo
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      • Altered Image wrote:Looks like someone has been over indulging in something
        eh ?

        someone bereft in all

        Ryun likes to add to his own myth with these anecdotes
        is this a joke ???

        it was interview decade+ ago

        ( Letsrun, this is absolute insult to one of greatest runners of All-Time

        Please take appropriate measures )

        Always has some reason why he didnt run faster
        is this a joke ???

        what excuse is he pulling at barely 19y & still smash 880y WR ???

        impress board

        what was your medical diagnosis ???

        Its called rose tinted spectacles
        no

        20/20 only

        He said at time he had a bit of a sore throat but felt great during race
        is this a joke ???

        do you think 'flu disappears in 1s ?

        He didn't have flu
        he obviously had terrible oro-pharyngitis

        impress board

        what was prognosis for his fully-rested 880y ???

        You cant jog with flu never mind run 1.44
        is this a joke ???

        when have you run 1'44 to offer comparison ??

        it's a joke !!!

        And he returned the next day to run 2 more races not 1
        is this a joke ?

        relay don't count after WR

        He won the mile, time


        finished after 880WR !!!

        The idea he must have been ill because he didnt run 3.51 is the most dumb excuse Ive heard.
        is this a joke ???

        he was in

        ~ 1'40-flat
        So every time someone runs 10 secs slower than pr they are ill?
        eh ?

        what is this rubbish ?

        ( letsrun, can you ban this woeful )

        i am interested in only 800

        You dont run 4 races inside 48 hrs if your ill, period
        is this a joke ???

        what physician are you to claim this ???

        The video of the 880 race in 66 is of the poorest quality and shows nothing to indicate the extra distance you would like him to have run, nor wind of any note
        is this a joke ???

        utterly laughable analysis !!!

        see my prior analysis

        A source account of race or wind readings for sprints at meet are evidence
        is this a joke ???

        evidence is what can be analysed

        Ryun vid shows huge wrecking wind !!!

        The poorest quality, highly edited recording which doesnt even look like its being played at the right speed doesnt tell us anything
        is this a joke ???

        it's vid, showing brief clip of awesome 880y !!!
    • JRinaldi
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/22/2017 1:44AM - in reply to calculo
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      • CalculoVent - why to you turn every tread in to the same old same old every time. Give it a rest mate....or just save time and cut and past your comments from the other 50 threads that start off talking about one athlete and then has you turn it around in to a Jim Ryun love feast.

        You sir are boring.
    • Noble Kane
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/22/2017 6:36AM - in reply to sundown
      • Noble Kane
      • sundown wrote:
        Makh had non-ideal splits in the 2:13. Just go back and look. They were all over the map.
        Now you are changing what you originally said. You said he had "lousy" pacing. I said they weren't now lousy. Now you are saying they were 'non-ideal'. That's something different completely.

        Makhloufi's 200 splits in Nancy were ~ 26.8, 26.0 (52.8 - which is 2:12 pace), 27.2 (1:19.0 - which is 2:11.6 pace), 27.3 ( 1:46.3 - 2:12.8 pace), 26.7.

        He lost any chance of the record from 600 to 800, which is when you would expect an athlete after a record to be in front and making his own pace anyway.

        The idea that 'ideal' pace must be a much faster first 400m is not universally agreed. He ran very even splits, which I would suggest is preferable. Yes, the first 200m was slow compared to several other record performances over 1000m, but they are starting from a standing start, so it would be slower if the pace was the same throughout.

        After his first 200m the 4 remaining splits differed by only 1.3 secs.

        In Coe's 1st WR, the difference was 2.7 secs, in his 2nd it was 1.9 sec and in Ngeny's it was 2.5 secs.
    • Noble Kane
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/22/2017 6:58AM - in reply to calculo
      • Noble Kane
      • calculo wrote:
        Altered Image wrote:

        [quote]So every time someone runs 10 secs slower than pr they are ill?
        eh ?

        what is this rubbish ?

        ( letsrun, can you ban this woeful )

        i am interested in only 800






        Do you purposely act obtuse? It's quite clear what the poster is getting at. Why plead ignorant?

        You previously stated that the fact Ryun ran a 4:01 mile the next day, and was able to run 3:51 a few weeks later, proves that he was ill that day. That would imply that every time someone runs 10 sec slower than their best time, they must be ill. Which of course most people recognise as nonsense.

        If you choose to run 4 races in less than 36 hours then you are not ill, and certainly not suffering with flu, as you suggest.

        The most useful and believable accounts are ones from the time, not 40+ years later in an interview where it is in both the journalist's and athlete's interests to 'spice' up the facts.
        He said at the time that he had 'a tremendous feeling of energy' at the start of the back straight. That is not how someone feels when they are ill. And an ill person certainly doesn't come back the next day to run 2 more events!

        -Ryun ran a 1:44.9 hand timed 880 on a synthetic track. Meaning it was likely 1:45.0/1:45.1 automatic.
        -We have a very grainy, highly edited clip of the final with no running clock on the video footage. The speed of the film looks out.
        -We see about 5 secs total of bends 2 & 3, from side on and using a long distance shot. In the footage given he maybe runs 2m extra.
        - We have no accounts on record from the time about weather conditions being windy. There is no wind sock on screen for the duration of the race, so there is nothing to go on.
        - We have no idea what the track's dimensions or configuration were. Surely if it wasn't 116/84 you wouldn't recognise it as legal, and it would have speeded up his time?

        It is beyond belief how anyone can use the footage of this race with the above analysis, to conclude that he was capable of 1:40 flat in 66.
    • ThatAverageRunner
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/22/2017 7:23AM - in reply to Noble Kane
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      • Noble Kane wrote:
        sundown wrote:
        Makh had non-ideal splits in the 2:13. Just go back and look. They were all over the map.
        Now you are changing what you originally said. You said he had "lousy" pacing. I said they weren't now lousy. Now you are saying they were 'non-ideal'. That's something different completely.

        Makhloufi's 200 splits in Nancy were ~ 26.8, 26.0 (52.8 - which is 2:12 pace), 27.2 (1:19.0 - which is 2:11.6 pace), 27.3 ( 1:46.3 - 2:12.8 pace), 26.7.

        He lost any chance of the record from 600 to 800, which is when you would expect an athlete after a record to be in front and making his own pace anyway.

        The idea that 'ideal' pace must be a much faster first 400m is not universally agreed. He ran very even splits, which I would suggest is preferable. Yes, the first 200m was slow compared to several other record performances over 1000m, but they are starting from a standing start, so it would be slower if the pace was the same throughout.

        After his first 200m the 4 remaining splits differed by only 1.3 secs.

        In Coe's 1st WR, the difference was 2.7 secs, in his 2nd it was 1.9 sec and in Ngeny's it was 2.5 secs.
        Check your math bud.
        I'll let you figure out where the mistake is
    • Noble Kane
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/22/2017 9:46AM - in reply to ThatAverageRunner
      • Noble Kane
      • ThatAverageRunner wrote:
        Noble Kane wrote:
        sundown wrote:
        Makh had non-ideal splits in the 2:13. Just go back and look. They were all over the map.
        Now you are changing what you originally said. You said he had "lousy" pacing. I said they weren't now lousy. Now you are saying they were 'non-ideal'. That's something different completely.

        Makhloufi's 200 splits in Nancy were ~ 26.8, 26.0 (52.8 - which is 2:12 pace), 26.2 (1:19.0 - which is 2:11.6 pace), 27.3 ( 1:46.3 - 2:12.8 pace), 26.7.

        He lost any chance of the record from 600 to 800, which is when you would expect an athlete after a record to be in front and making his own pace anyway.

        The idea that 'ideal' pace must be a much faster first 400m is not universally agreed. He ran very even splits, which I would suggest is preferable. Yes, the first 200m was slow compared to several other record performances over 1000m, but they are starting from a standing start, so it would be slower if the pace was the same throughout.

        After his first 200m the 4 remaining splits differed by only 1.3 secs.

        In Coe's 1st WR, the difference was 2.7 secs, in his 2nd it was 1.9 sec and in Ngeny's it was 2.5 secs.
        Check your math bud.
        I'll let you figure out where the mistake is
        Cheers mate. I've changed the 27.2 to 26.2 on the 3rd 200m above.
    • calculo
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      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/28/2017 5:17PM - in reply to Noble Kane
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      • Noble Kane wrote:~ that grainy clip shows 5 secs of the 2nd bend from the final and he is in lane 1 and being drafted
        is this a joke ?

        it shows good amount of prelim where he starts out in lane 1 & dead last makes ridiculous, ruinous sprint to catch up, then cruise thru to final

        that already wrecked him more than anyone else in prelim who made final !!!

        & he was ill that meet !

        the vid shows him just passing the black boy just after 550y & passing him wide, not inside, so obviously didn't run inside lane beforehand, or if he did, he made big swerve to get past him !!!

        ~ it shows nothing of bend 3
        is this a joke ?

        learn to think

        he was 4th at the bell !, with 2 guy wall in front with short-boy leading

        he was in lane 2 last we saw him approaching bell !

        this automatically inbuilds extra distance running wide when entering 3rd bend !

        the 2-kid wall ahead of him woudn't have just let him thru in lane 1 !

        he wouda had to run well wide of those 2 kids, likely hugely into lane 2, which is no shock as he was already in lane 2 last we see of him on 1st lap !

        It shows him at 500m on the curb being drafted
        is this a joke ?

        he is running wide of 2nd place guy on bend to overtake him !

        no drafting there

        No discernible extra distance
        is this a joke ?

        he was 4th at bell not just assumed from vid but reports

        but vid shows that just before bell he is in lane 2 !

        automatically extra run on 3rd bend !

        to get to anywhere close to leader by 500, he wouda had to have the 2 guys directly just let him thru ?

        why woud they do that ?!

        he wouda had to run hugely wide of them on 3rd bend & he already virtually certainly entered that well into lane 2 !

        ~ it shows some of last bend where he is tight on inside
        is this a joke ?

        it is Legend he crushed field by 660y !

        it was automatically 100% assumed he ran last 220y tight in lane 1 !

        why are you stating absolute absurdity ?

        who on earth wouda expected Ryun to have run wide on last 220y when well clear of field ?

        No extra distance
        is this a joke ?

        see above

        ~ no account of race has ever mentioned it as being windy
        is this utter total joke ?

        can't you observe a vid ?

        can you not analyse ?

        at 2'07 & then at 2'29 into vid, the pennants on infield are hugely shaking on the field, NOT motionless

        that is wrecking wind for a 2-laps !!!, likely ~ 1s if 0 wind !

        Offer reference or reliable source stating otherwise
        eh ?

        can't you observe ?

        what kind of analysis can you offer if you can't observe wind in a vid ?

        ~ he wasn't ill
        is this a joke ?

        were you his physician ?

        were you treating him in '66 ?

        here are his words :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTPCspfwCI

        You make it sound like he was dying
        he was in no shape to be running that day, let alone run 2 races !

        i'm sure you have medical qualification & were capable of offering opinion to Ryun's medical condition in '66

        impress the board ?

        So ill he ran 2 more races the next day
        no

        totally "flat" & 4'02+ next day for only individual race, when he woud run 3'51 barely month after when healthy !

        how come he coud only run 4'02+ on Terre Haute asphalt, but month+ later run 3'51.3 on dirt ?

        why coudn't he run 3'50 on Terre Haute asphalt ?

        Accounts of the race say he had a 'bit of a sore throat' and that he had 'a tremendous burst of energy' at 500yds
        is this a joke ?

        see above vid

        if you are a physician, then impress us with your counter-diagnosis

        ~ offer papers or reliable sources that show asphalt track was 'nowhere near as quick as '70s track'?
        is this a joke ?

        this rubbish got soft/sticky when weather was hot

        it also was rubbish as chipped/smashed after every race

        it needed repairing after every serious meet with filler as it got smashed apart !

        joke track !

        impress us :

        where were asphalt tracks in major meets in '70 ?

        Total hyperbole
        is this a joke ?

        laughable opener
    • Jayhawk Marauder
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/28/2017 6:37PM - in reply to Altered Image
      • Jayhawk Marauder
      • Altered Image wrote:
        Looks like someone has been over indulging in something.

        Ryun likes to add to his own myth with these anecdotes. Always has some reason why he didnt run faster. Its called rose tinted spectacles.
        He said at time he had a bit of a sore throat but felt great during race. He didn't have flu. You cant jog with flu never mind run 1.44.
        And he returned the next day to run 2 more races not 1. He won the mile, time irrelevant. The idea he must have been ill because he didnt run 3.51 is the most dumb excuse Ive heard. So every time someone runs 10 secs slower than pr they are ill?

        You dont run 4 races inside 48 hrs if your ill, period.

        The video of the 880 race in 66 is of the poorest quality and shows nothing to indicate the extra distance you would like him to have run, nor wind of any note.
        A source account of race or wind readings for sprints at meet are evidence. The poorest quality, highly edited recording which doesnt even look like its being played at the right speed doesnt tell us anything.
        50 years ago this week. Copy from Ryun's training log. Ironically, he was under the weather this particular week:
        http://imgur.com/a/Orx4p
    • Roger Stone
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 4/28/2017 11:10PM - in reply to Altered Image
      • Roger Stone
      • Altered Image wrote:
        Looks like someone has been over indulging in something.

        Ryun likes to add to his own myth with these anecdotes. Always has some reason why he didnt run faster. Its called rose tinted spectacles.
        He said at time he had a bit of a sore throat but felt great during race. He didn't have flu. You cant jog with flu never mind run 1.44.
        And he returned the next day to run 2 more races not 1. He won the mile, time irrelevant. The idea he must have been ill because he didnt run 3.51 is the most dumb excuse Ive heard. So every time someone runs 10 secs slower than pr they are ill?

        You dont run 4 races inside 48 hrs if your ill, period.

        The video of the 880 race in 66 is of the poorest quality and shows nothing to indicate the extra distance you would like him to have run, nor wind of any note.
        A source account of race or wind readings for sprints at meet are evidence. The poorest quality, highly edited recording which doesnt even look like its being played at the right speed doesnt tell us anything.
        You idiot. Ryun says he was suffering from allergies. Ryun always suffered from allergies (he was asthmatic as well). He didn't have the flu.

        Ryun was always running tired because of the ridiculous training regimen. Then he ran the 880 heat and final within 90 minutes of each other and came back the next day to run the mile and the mile relay. He was simply burned out. If Timmons had done nothing but cut Ryun's volume in half Ryun's times would have been much quicker. Keep in mind the speed of Ryun's intervals wasn't up to the speed of the guys in the 80's or later. Just another world beater who never reached his full potential. The infamous 36.4 last 300 in a 3:38.2 race...on cinders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs
    • calculus
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 5/2/2017 8:50PM - in reply to
      • calculus
      • calculo wrote:
        Noble Kane wrote:Do you purposely act obtuse?
        eh ?

        is this a joke ?

        It's quite clear what the poster is getting at
        offer it

        Why plead ignorant?
        then stop pleading on her/his behalf & post direct

        You previously stated that the fact Ryun ran a 4:01 mile the next day
        he said ~ 4'02 when "completely flat/dead"

        you have other opinion to offer ?

        and was able to run 3:51 a few weeks later
        is this a joke ???

        he ran 3'51.3WR many weeks later !!!

        who ever said he hadn't made some recovery later ?

        proves that he was ill that day
        is this a joke ?

        That would imply that every time someone runs 10 sec slower than their best time, they must be ill
        is this a joke ???

        he says in a many many posted vid interview he was ill !!!

        how many f*****ckin times do you have to be told to learn to watch/listen until it sinks in :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTPCspfwCI

        if you were his physician back in '66, then post it !!!

        Which of course most people recognise as nonsense
        is this a joke ?

        you dare offer medical opinion of a guy in '66 against his stated testimony of that day of what background ?

        were you then or at any time Ryun's physician or ever in a position to be such ?

        If you choose to run 4 races in less than 36 hours then you are not ill
        is this a joke ?

        you run what coach tells you to in '66

        his coach was clueless & when he stopped his watch he was completely shocked as he had no idea of 2-laps ability

        and certainly not suffering with flu, as you suggest
        is this a joke ?

        were you his physician in '66 ?

        what qualified diagnosis you offer ?

        The most useful and believable accounts are ones from the time
        yes

        offer

        11 not 40+ years later in an interview where it is in both the journalist's and athlete's interests to 'spice' up the facts
        then offer his medical condition from reports in '66

        offer...

        He said at the time that he had 'a tremendous feeling of energy' at the start of the back straight
        sounds similar to vid

        offer source

        i'm sure he can expand...

        That is not how someone feels when they are ill
        is this a joke ?

        that is his statement

        were you or ever his physician in '66 to offer other ?

        And an ill person certainly doesn't come back the next day to run 2 more events!
        & he syas they ere total rubbish 4'02+

        -Ryun ran a 1:44.9 hand timed 880 on a synthetic track
        no

        asphalt rubbish which was slow & smashed to pieces needing regular "filler"

        why wasn't asphalt track in mexico ? or munich or montreal ?

        Meaning it was likely 1:45.0/1:45.1 automatic
        yes

        -We have a very grainy, highly edited clip of the final with no running clock on the video footage
        then we analyse

        if you can't analyse good enough, it's not anyone's problem but yours

        The speed of the film looks out
        eh ?

        who on earth expected to time splits from it ?

        -We see about 5 secs total of bends 2 & 3
        huge amount for discernation

        from side on and using a long distance shot
        best angles

        the "classic"

        In the footage given he maybe runs 2m extra
        is this a joke ?

        on 2nd bend, he maya run 2m at worst, but guy passed well inside him on it, so more like 2.5m

        on 3rd bend, he enters it wide in lane 2 & he is not "ducking in lane 1" at 19y with guys to overtake

        next shot is wide in lane overtaking guy in lane-1

        it's likely 4 - 6m extra

        - We have no accounts on record from the time about weather conditions being windy
        is this a joke ?

        can't you observe vid ?

        the pennants are blowing hugely !

        it's a wrecking wind !

        There is no wind sock on screen for the duration of the race
        is this a joke ?

        wind sock ?

        how much of a joke is this ?

        what utter joke is this ?

        so there is nothing to go on
        is this a total joke ?!

        -We have no idea what the track's dimensions or configuration were
        in '60s on rival USTAF Meet, i reckon rock-solid

        if you have other info, offer it

        Surely if it wasn't 116/84 you wouldn't recognise it as legal
        i'll take '60s tracks as they come

        unlike oslo woeful, built around a speed-skating track !!!

        utter joke track !!!

        or firenze, an unknown, 6-laner on mandatory-8-laners 0f '70s & it coudn't even offer auto-timing !!!

        and it would have speeded up his time?
        116/84

        only acceptable

        It is beyond belief how anyone can use the footage of this race with the above analysis, to conclude that he was capable of 1:40 flat in 66
        eh ?

        is this a joke ?

        any discerning analyst with math/logic ability wouda got this at

        ~ 1'40-flat
        is this a joke ?????

        what is this wubbish ???

        drivel


        is this a joke ?????
    • punchline
      • RE: Clayton Murphy just ran 1:43.60 at Mt. Sac 5/2/2017 9:18PM - in reply to
      • punchline
      • calculo wrote:
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ???
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ???
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        is this a joke ?
        how much of a joke is this ?
        what utter joke is this ?
        is this a total joke ?!
        is this a joke ?
        The joke is in your pants.
    • Hermes link ice blue mink