fly the friendly skies wrote:
The guy was a trespasser and refused to comply. Dragging him became the only viable means of removal. I guess they could have carried but probably more risks involved.
If they actually thought he was guilty of trespassing, why didn't they arrest him?
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fly the friendly skies wrote:
The guy was a trespasser and refused to comply.
A trespasser is not someone who you take money from to grant entry, allow them to enter, and then require them to be seated.
fly the friendly skies wrote:
muscles muscles wrote:I can't believe people can defend the behaviours of flight attendants (or cops). Totally disgusting. There's law, but there's also common sense.
There is common sense but there is also 'knowing WTF you are talking about'. Flight attendants had very little to do with this situation.
The guy was a trespasser and refused to comply. Dragging him became the only viable means of removal. I guess they could have carried but probably more risks involved.
The Dr is an ass and I hope he makes no money off of this. The airline is an ass and I hope they learned their PR lesson.
Either you do not believe what you wrote or you are the stupidest person in the history of the world.
Offer $5,000 for folks to give up their seats and see how many empty seats you get.
Seriously, are you that stupid? Seriously?
Never Again!!!!! wrote:
I will NEVER, EVER, EVER AGAIN fly with "United'. Absolutely horrendous behavior by them. LOST MY BUSINESS FOREVER!!!!!! This was simply insane antics by the airline.
First off, their employees 'fly free' and you mean to tell me they can't get another flight right afterwards or through another hub????? They cant get other staff to cover flights or shifts other at places - !!!!???? Cancel the other flights if you have to, but don't bw willing to beat up customers to keep a goddamn schedule???!!!!! F-OFF!!!! Secondly, why are they intensionally over booking and then punishing customers for their inept bull$hit. This was their employees not ever other customers????!!!!??? WTF!!!!!
Why didn't the other passengers stop this $hit they could see what was going on???? Also, why didn't the Captain refuse to fly afterwards???? He saw and heard the attack on an innocent man - I would have walked off immediately and my day in court would have shown I made the right decision - FVCK an employer who allows for abuse their customers!!!!! Maybe the pilot ordered the security!!!! In that case, He can FVCK OFF!!!!! Another airline would gladly hire me as a pilot for my strong ethical stand!!!!!
Why did security mussel this guy as well???? They could see he did absolutely nothing wrong - they're complete violent $hit heads in my opinion. "Black guys" beating up an old "Asian man" - their real tough dudes, yea right - GO TO HELL M'FERS!!!!!
HE wasn't a terrorist, and illegal immigrant, being rude to other customers, acting crazy, or doing anything other than being a normal customer - THEY TERRORIZED HIM!!!! They treated it like it was some kind of God Damned "ICE Raid'???!!!! I hope the whole lot of them get fired and fined for this outrageous crap!
"Fly the friendly skies" - WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LIE!!!!!
Lighten up Francis.
That's actually really funny (although I'm on the side of the airline/security)
You guys must realize the reason this guy got hurt isn't because the guards were beating him though, right? He was grabbed and started flailing around like a maniac and screaming. He should be suing himself for assault.
I love the yelling so much. He's truly insane. Did you see the video after he was let back on and he just kept mumbling to himself "kill me now, kill me now.." He's unstable enough that no patient on the planet should ever be seeing him.
theyre great wrote:
That's actually really funny (although I'm on the side of the airline/security)
You guys must realize the reason this guy got hurt isn't because the guards were beating him though, right? He was grabbed and started flailing around like a maniac and screaming. He should be suing himself for assault.
I love the yelling so much. He's truly insane. Did you see the video after he was let back on and he just kept mumbling to himself "kill me now, kill me now.." He's unstable enough that no patient on the planet should ever be seeing him.
The guards assaulted him.
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You guys must realize the reason this guy got hurt isn't because the guards were beating him though, right? He was grabbed and started flailing around like a maniac and screaming. He should be suing himself for assault.
Well assault is a physical attack and the guards were attempting to get him off of a plane by means of physically removing him. But the left is hell bent on making it a spectrum disorder (like autism).
We start calling more things autism and suddenly we have more cases of autism (got that Jenny McCarthy?).
Now everything is assault too. Everything is rape. Everything is racist. Everything is sexist. Everything is offensive. I don't know how you guys get through life in such a harsh environment.
I agree with this, but I'm rather jaded after flying ~200k miles over the last 2 years and seeing all sorts bad behavior. Frankly, due to the circumstances, he got really lucky in that he'll probably get a ton of compensation. Otherwise, he probably would've gotten arrested (unfairly or not to be determined, especially for coming back into the plane).My first thought regarding this situation was of Shirley Jackson's The Lottery in that it's good the guy stood up for what he believed in, but if those employees didn't make it on the flight, it probably would've meant a flight would've been canceled from Louisville, so 100-150 people wouldn't have made it to their destination, so he was one of the 4 lucky winners to get a stone to the head. I'm afraid the fallout from the angry mob reaction is going to be higher prices and more flight cancellations.
exthrower wrote:
The passenger got screwed but he acted like a 3 year old....It was a battle he couldn't win so why make a scene? Act like an adult and raise a stink with the airlines later...
Mr. Obvious wrote:
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This thread is great, tastes like victim culture.
I certainly hope he gets charged with failure to comply and assaulting an officer of the law. He is lucky they didn't shoot him.
"My first thought regarding this situation was of Shirley Jackson's The Lottery in that it's good the guy stood up for what he believed in, but if those employees didn't make it on the flight, it probably would've meant a flight would've been canceled from Louisville, so 100-150 people wouldn't have made it to their destination, so he was one of the 4 lucky winners to get a stone to the head."
United could have figured out other ways like up the price to get their employees on the plane or arrange another way for them to get there. They chose to stick it to their paying, boarded customers instead. Now they are paying the price.
But keep on defending companies like United because it takes a sizable flock of sheep to feed a pack of wolves.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8146629&page=9#ixzz4eAsXaogg
blerblef wrote:
I agree with this, but I'm rather jaded after flying ~200k miles over the last 2 years and seeing all sorts bad behavior. Frankly, due to the circumstances, he got really lucky in that he'll probably get a ton of compensation. Otherwise, he probably would've gotten arrested (unfairly or not to be determined, especially for coming back into the plane).
My first thought regarding this situation was of Shirley Jackson's The Lottery in that it's good the guy stood up for what he believed in, but if those employees didn't make it on the flight, it probably would've meant a flight would've been canceled from Louisville, so 100-150 people wouldn't have made it to their destination, so he was one of the 4 lucky winners to get a stone to the head.
I'm afraid the fallout from the angry mob reaction is going to be higher prices and more flight cancellations.
Offer more for volunteers to give up their seats. Problem solved.
Why is this so difficult to understand (for the airline - and apparently for many posters)?
Obvious Stuff wrote:
Offer more for volunteers to give up their seats. Problem solved.
Why is this so difficult to understand (for the airline - and apparently for many posters)?
As a quick addendum - bumping up the volunteer price is also the perfect free market mechanism to ensure the optimal outcome. The person who gives up their seat for $1,500 (if that ends up being the price) is the person for whom getting to their destination "on time" was least valued.
Everybody's a happy camper.
zrosen wrote:
I certainly hope he gets charged with failure to comply and assaulting an officer of the law. He is lucky they didn't shoot him.
Assaulting an officer? what the hell is wrong with you?
These officers assaulted him. To further corporate profits. Over a civil contraxt dispute.
That's why the police have sai these officers did not follow proper protocol and have suspended 3 officers.
It's standard protocol to suspend an officer when a high profile event happens. The suspension has nothing to do with guilt, it's more like a marketing move. The suspended officers are also more than likely to be getting paid while on suspension.
luv2run wrote:
Also this flight was not really overbooked in the traditional way, United needed to get 4 crewmembers to Louisville. They were flying "dead head".
This. And in reality, they may have not known the crew was needed until after he plane was boarded. On the other end, the crew that was supposed to be on the next plane may have had their flight delayed, thus necessitating this crew to be there. We don't know.
What we do know is that the United employees never laid their hands on this man. It was the United States government. But it happened on a United plane, so where do all the eyes go?
https://thepilotwifelife.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/i-know-youre-mad-at-united-but-thoughts-from-a-pilot-wife-about-flight-3411/
