Trans runner competes against girls

AxC wrote:

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This person needs to be treated with respect.

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No. We need to treat them with pity and compassion. This person has a mental illness that needs to be treated by professionals who know how to handle this kind of illness, just as we would treat someone who thought they were Napoleon.

We do not feel obligated to follow the orders of someone who thinks they are Napoleon, blindly marching off to battle to avoid hurting their feelings by challenging their delusion, and we should not feel obligated to re-engineer society because some man thinks he's a woman.

2017 = 1984

How many fingers am I holding up? I am holding up 3, but if you don't say 4, then you will be tortured until you not only SAY 4, but believe that you SEE 4. Tell me, when you look at that guy, do you SEE a "her"? If so, then you are already a foot soldier in the army of ignorance and deception. They are going to have to torture me for a looooong time before I look at that guy and SEE a "her".

The consequences of forcing people to deny reality and accept an illusion go way beyond these gender games. Any society which can manipulated in this way is subject to all kinds of abuses.

This is the hill to die on folks, and we all better join the battle because the people doing this to us don't ever surrender, they fight dirty, and they don't take prisoners. If we lose this hill, then the concept of reality is gone, and reality becomes whatever our politically correct overlords say it is on any given day when it suits their purposes. It's that important.

Wow and here I thought this was another Caster Semya article.

NotPC wrote:

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I'm sure one day we will see a trans boxer or MMA fighter. They might actually kill some one.

There is a Trangender MMA fighter already. Yes, a lot of the women don't want to go against her.

There are trangenders in pretty much every sport already (and has for many years)

Where is this rock that you have been hiding under?

This thread is of interest because she is a national level HS freshman sprinter. Usually Trans convert later in their lives. It's the first time (in my memory) that we have seen this in track and field (combo of young and national level).

Ugly name calling? It's a dude. With a package to prove it. Would it be ugly name calling if the response was "That person over there with brown hair in dreadlocks"? Don't confuse statements of facts with negativity just because the facts may hurt someone's feewings.

Treated with respect? Do people who identify as cats need to be treated with respect? Or should they be getting help?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

AxC wrote:

Those opposed to this (I am one) would really help out their case by not resorting to ugly name calling. AKA calling this transgender girl "a dude" and talking about "her balls." And constantly bashing "leftists"

This person needs to be treated with respect... that said this is an obvious competitive imbalance and completely unfair to the other female competitors.

The simplest solution would be that all transgender athletes need to compete in the male division.

A more expensive but nuanced version would be to put in hormone testing and set a limit for transgender athletes competing in the female division.

This is the natural outcome of declaring that Castor Semenya can compete without any testosterone limitations.

At some point the madness has to stop. Just because someone says they identify as something doesn't make it so. Can someone who gets caught stealing, identify as a shoplifter who can't change the way they are so we have to stop prosecuting them?

This is absolute madness, we are all born a certain way and no matter how much you say it isn't so and might claim to identify as something else that you aren't, doesn't make it true. We are essentially normalizing a mental illness and everyone is afraid to say the glaring and obvious truth because the left has created an environment where you are called a racist and bigot if you don't go along with their crazy agenda.

AxC wrote:

Those opposed to this (I am one) would really help out their case by not resorting to ugly name calling. AKA calling this transgender girl "a dude" and talking about "her balls." And constantly bashing "leftists"

This person needs to be treated with respect... that said this is an obvious competitive imbalance and completely unfair to the other female competitors.

The simplest solution would be that all transgender athletes need to compete in the male division.

A more expensive but nuanced version would be to put in hormone testing and set a limit for transgender athletes competing in the female division.

This is the natural outcome of declaring that Castor Semenya can compete without any testosterone limitations.

This "dude" has a package. He's a man. He can either compete with males or in a special transgender or gender confused division. This kid has no respect by competing against girls. Too bad if I hurt your SJW feelings and these leftists are out of touch. Deal with it.

What help? Gender dysphoria is a genuine mental condition that has very little terms of a cure? Don't you think trans people would have already tried to find a cure throughout their lives if it could help them? Otherkin is stupid and isn't a genuine mental disorder, just a call for attention and should not be treated as reality. With transgender people, their brains are literally wired for the other gender, but why would that harm anyone? Competing in an athletic event of your preferred gender before reassignment surgery is pretty unfair in my opinion, but you're basically telling mentally ill people to stop being mentally ill. Are you that dense? Please read this and educate yourself. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400018231

But gender is just a social construct, not biological, right?

How can someone be biologically wired "female/woman" if "female/woman" has no biological basis?

It's either biological or it's not. You can't have it both ways.

You liberals love talking about how much you love science and reason, but love to ignore it whenever it means someone feelings get hurt.

You didn't read my whole comment, did you? I said its not fair for a person in transition to compete.

Gender is a social construct, but one based off biological sex. Sex and gender are not the same thing, speaking psychologically. Sex is what you are born as, gender is the role you play in society. There can be men who are generally effeminate and women who are big and strong, and there's no problem with that. We all are weak tiny little beings on a rock called Earth in the end.

Correction: We are all weak tiny little beings on a flat plain called Earth with mostly water in the end.

What help? Help coping, perhaps? Therapy? I seriously doubt anyone chooses to be a pedophile, should we allow them to express their identity or try to help them assimilate?

Who are you to say otherkin is stupid? Those people genuinely identify as not human, why do you get to make the call that they're wrong?

mysterymeat wrote:

What help? Gender dysphoria is a genuine mental condition that has very little terms of a cure? Don't you think trans people would have already tried to find a cure throughout their lives if it could help them? Otherkin is stupid and isn't a genuine mental disorder, just a call for attention and should not be treated as reality. With transgender people, their brains are literally wired for the other gender, but why would that harm anyone? Competing in an athletic event of your preferred gender before reassignment surgery is pretty unfair in my opinion, but you're basically telling mentally ill people to stop being mentally ill. Are you that dense? Please read this and educate yourself.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400018231

I don't think there is a cure for any mental illness, unless the cause is from sort of medical condition like a brain tumor. Depression, schizophrenia, bulemia... whatever. It's managed through behavioral therapy and sometimes medication. A man who wants to be a woman has body dysmorphia, and needs therapy to manage these feelings. Encouraging someone to lop off body parts is not unlike suggesting a depressed person should just drill a hole in their skull and scramble their brains. If a transgender person wants to pretend they are the opposite sex, that's their business. However, nothing requires me to go along with this delusion anymore than I am required to believe helicopters are actually flying over a poor schizophrenic's house.

Read - http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/stop-confusing-gender-dysphoria-with-body-dysmorphia-al-1583049920

Well Said!!!

" blah blah blah...pretty unfair ...blah blah blah"

Talk about an understatement!

A man races and beats women and the strongest stand your little PC brain and come up with is, "pretty unfair".

All of the scientific evidence points to the fact that transsexualism is a birth defect not a mental illness. For a small percentage of human beings, sexual differentiation of their reproductive organs occurred in the opposite direction as sexual differentiation of the brain. This is believed to happen because in utero, all fetuses begin as female, but the masculinization process of the body and the brain occur in two separate independent phases.

"It is known that the genitals and brain develop at different times. The genitals develop early prenatally during the first 6 – 12th week and they may develop in masculine or feminine form. If the genitals develop under the influence of the androgen testosterone they are masculinized. If they are not, female genitals develop. In comparison, the brain, it is believed, develops during the latter period of pregnancy and also is subject to the influence of androgen. If there is significant androgen present at that time there will be brain masculinization, if not, there will be brain feminization. It thus is clear that the brain and genitals can develop independently and under different forces" (Bao & Swaab, 2011; Savik, Garcia-Falguera, & Swaab, 2010)

In fact transsexualism reinforces the idea that men and women are different not just physically, but also neurologically.

Here are some additional studies on brain sex

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html

I would generally agree that its a condition that's present at birth, and not a conscious choice. That being said its still not fair for a trans or "someone that self identifies as trans", be allowed to race as a female, in a female race. Now whether thats un-PC or not I could not care. Perhaps utilizing a certain set of strict criteria, maybe, IE T levels, presence or absence of external genitalia, etc might be in order, like occurred with CS previously but were then rescinded. I certainly don't have or know the answer, I just know that its not fair to the women, born as women that are in the same race as a trans, born male and with the bulk of the genetic advantages that come with that.

"I would generally agree that its a condition that's present at birth, and not a conscious choice. That being said its still not fair for a trans or "someone that self identifies as trans", be allowed to race as a female, in a female race. Now whether thats un-PC or not I could not care. Perhaps utilizing a certain set of strict criteria, maybe, IE T levels, presence or absence of external genitalia, etc might be in order, like occurred with CS previously but were then rescinded. I certainly don't have or know the answer, I just know that its not fair to the women, born as women that are in the same race as a trans, born male and with the bulk of the genetic advantages that come with that.[/quote]

Well, I think that females should always be allowed to compete with males if they so choose. However, I agree with you that male to female transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete until they have been on hormones and androgen blockers for a specified period of time and their hormone levels are in the normal female range. I was more addressing the angry mob who wants to use this one news story in order to yell and scream about how much "trannies" are ruining society.