The emperor has no clothes: Jemima Sumgong has tested positive for EPO!!!

trollism wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Can you inform us on the careless mistakes Sumgong made that led to her testing positive?

She tested positive for EPO, not a bio passport infringement, so she clearly had the injection too close to a time where she could be tested.

EPO has a fairly short glow time, and microdosing it you should never be in danger of being caught.

Horrible to see this happening at this level in the sport -- but here are a couple of questions from someone who doesn't know how this all works.

First, how long until the B sample results come out? I presume it doesn't take long to run the test... so this coming week, maybe?

Second, what advantages does an elite athlete such as Sumgong reap from using EPO in a training block? I can understand the advantages during competition, but I suppose the advantage in training is from that marginal increase in intensity?

This might sound kind of dumb but even if EPO doesn't aid marathon performance, Sumgong would still be cheating as she took it in the hope of a boost, albeit in vain.

trollism wrote:

She tested positive for EPO, not a bio passport infringement, so she clearly had the injection too close to a time where she could be tested.

EPO has a fairly short glow time, and microdosing it you should never be in danger of being caught.

Good point...and neither Kenya nor Ethiopia are currently part of the Athlete Biopassport Program (ABP) because of no WADA-accredited labs in the region to conduct the blood tests. Nonetheless, she was target tested OOC for some reason (normally athletes part of the ABP will be target tested when signs of hematological or steriodal anomalies start appearing on their profile).

trollism wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Can you inform us on the careless mistakes Sumgong made that led to her testing positive?

She tested positive for EPO, not a bio passport infringement, so she clearly had the injection too close to a time where she could be tested.

EPO has a fairly short glow time, and microdosing it you should never be in danger of being caught.

I have to wonder how so many of you know so much about EPO and doping control.

Dietrologia! Potere!

Canova!

Drugs are stupid wrote:

Letsrun is the cesspool of the internet, on course for total destruction of athletics.

Well lets face it: the system of global track and field is corrupt and broken beyond repair. It needs to be completely ripped apart so something better can be rebuilt in its place.

For protection of athletes wrote:

“We are unable to make any further comments in regard to the matter at this point and we shall issue a comprehensive statement once the process is complete,” said the statement from AK.

When the B test comes up negative, I hope the IAAF / London Marathon are sued for the $million they're stealing from her.

If the B sample comes up positive the London marathon organizers should be sued for several billion dollars as they have continually invited athletes from countries with poor antidoping controls for several years and hyped up their race to gain money from sponsors off the back of the performances of these athletes. This is just organised crime taking place on the streets of London. The race organizers are as much to do with this problem as are the athletes, coaches, or agents.

Let me correct that for you.

The race organizers have far more to do with this problem than the athletes, coaches, or agents.[/quote]

Races have, for years, turned this into a pissing contest where everyone wants to see who can get bragging rights about the fastest course, the strongest field, etc. If the races want to take a stand and distance themselves from unseemly characters in the sport, they can. Unfortunately, none has the cojones to take that first step. It's clear not that, at best, Rosa & Associates have totally inadequate oversight of the athletes on their roster. The WMM races could put them in "time out" to encourage them to get their house in order. Instead, we'll see yet another female athlete from this group blazing to the win in Boston as if nothing is amiss.

Anytime a woman goes under 2:20, it raises an eyebrow (or two) with me. Not saying every 2:19 is dirty, but sub-2:20 for a woman is tough, tough runnning...just as, say, sub 2:07 or so is tough, tough running for a man.

The best of the best during the hey-day of running (when running was an important sport) in the late 70s and early 80s were putting up 2:08 and 2:09, off of some serious, back-breaking mileage...and that was the best they could come up with, 2:08s and 2:09s.

Thus, how could it be that all other normal people could only run about 2:08, but those E. Africans can run a full five minutes faster? Same with the women. It is all fake.

I will give a minute, or maybe two, for training improvents and perhaps some normal or "natural" progression over the last 30 years, and so my mendoza line for suspicion is somewhere around 2:06. That seems humanly possible. The rest is fake...and the people who dope to run those times are an embarrassment to sports.

One other thing...I may be a nobody in running, but I know this: out of all of the distances, the marathon is the trickiest and the hardest in which to improve. There are so many things that can go wrong in a marathon. Even people who are truly fit must have everything go right. This knowledge makes me even more skeptical of the crazy times these people are putting up.

Raptor wrote:

Nonetheless, she was target tested OOC for some reason (normally athletes part of the ABP will be target tested when signs of hematological or steriodal anomalies start appearing on their profile).

She was targeted because the WMM are now paying for OOC testing of all the top athletes who compete in their series. She is part of that pool.

Honest Questioner wrote:

Second, what advantages does an elite athlete such as Sumgong reap from using EPO in a training block? I can understand the advantages during competition, but I suppose the advantage in training is from that marginal increase in intensity?

Training intensity, recovery and overall cardiovascular fitness.

For protection of athletes wrote:

“We are unable to make any further comments in regard to the matter at this point and we shall issue a comprehensive statement once the process is complete,” said the statement from AK.

When the B test comes up negative, I hope the IAAF / London Marathon are sued for the $million they're stealing from her.

Yes, and anyone else who constantly puts drug propaganda in place of athletics.

Drugs are stupid. They don't help anyone, and that's not what this is about.

Drugs are stupid wrote:

Yes, and anyone else who constantly puts drug propaganda in place of athletics.

Drugs are stupid. They don't help anyone, and that's not what this is about.

Ever tried EPO?

Honest Questioner wrote:

Second, what advantages does an elite athlete such as Sumgong reap from using EPO in a training block? I can understand the advantages during competition, but I suppose the advantage in training is from that marginal increase in intensity?

There is little to no advantage in taking EPO during competition. EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells in a process that takes weeks. Therefore it is only beneficial during a training block weeks before race day.

There is this idea out there that altitude trained runners don't benefit from extraneous EPO. In fact, the opposite is true. Training at altitude places greater demands on gas carrying capacity, which is why such runners have higher hemocrit levels than when training at sea-level. The body responds to hypoxia by producing more EPO/RBCs. This is exactly the situation in which artificially inducing RBC production is most useful. There is only a certain number of RBCs the body will naturally produce under hypoxic conditions, so when training at altitude these athletes are actually at a disadvantage as they can't train at the speeds for the duration optimal for their events. Doping with EPO enables responders to train at the correct speeds/durations for their sea-level race.

Renato Canova wrote:

6) In the case of many women, the ruin of their career comes from their husbands. There are many cases of coaches who married their athletes, but in Kenya it's the opposite : there are husbands who, for having a role in the family of a top athlete women, decide to be the COACH without knowing anything about training an methodology. They use their wives for producing money and glory for themselves, and are the ruin of the careers of the wife. Noah Talam is the husband of Jemima, Mugo was the husband of Emily Chebet, they gave the wife every kind of substance and the wife took without any discussion. The same happened in other Countries : the coach of Aptekir (winning 1500m in London) was the husband, as the coach of Shobukhova. We need CERTIFIED COACHES, not family members without any knowledge for driving top runners.

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That Peter Coe, I never trusted him.

That Sara Hall she must be dripping with PEDs.

In 4-5 years time Emma Coburn is going to start failing drug tests.

Pretty sure Ed Whitlock was clean.

You now have a higher stroke volume, I think that is what you are saying here.

Do you know an athlete that has dramatically increased stroke volume? E.g. best tested over a life cycle?

The idea of increasing stroke volume can be also achieved via blood doping/transfusions (as you will known) but increasing Hct on top of this will lift lactate thresholds, that is why Sumgong could easily pull away at the end. That is how unreal times are done.

Canova claims that he is respected by the Kenyans. SO ARE THE ROSA'S.

Kenyans are very trusting people. Many are so poor that they are willing to allow themselves to be taken advantage of by anyone with a pocket full of money.

Canova is a crook. If he is such a great coach then why has he been such a failure with the Chinese? He blames that on the athlete because that is what a huckster does.

Drugs are stupid wrote:

Drugs are stupid. They don't help anyone, and that's not what this is about.

Yeah...you bet, and Lance sure wasted his time with PEDs 😁.