Dr No wrote:
If Desi Linden really wants to win Boston she is going to totally change how she races. Dropping way back half through race then scooping up the carnage ending up in 6 or 7th . Like Rio .
I wish her the best but she doesn't race for the win.
From what Sage Canaday wrote in his book, Hansons just needs to put a few of their guys out there for her to run down.
Lol run to the top
the chicker wrote:
Dr No wrote:If Desi Linden really wants to win Boston she is going to totally change how she races. Dropping way back half through race then scooping up the carnage ending up in 6 or 7th . Like Rio .
I wish her the best but she doesn't race for the win.
From what Sage Canaday wrote in his book, Hansons just needs to put a few of their guys out there for her to run down.
They might not have any Sub 2:30 guys
...you are stupid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYrvIRe0zTc&feature=youtu.be&t=118Dr No wrote:
If Desi Linden really wants to win Boston she is going to totally change how she races. Dropping way back half through race then scooping up the carnage ending up in 6 or 7th . Like Rio .
I wish her the best but she doesn't race for the win.
More often than not wrote:
If Desi has any chance to win she is going to need to run faster than her competitors.
You need more strategy than that. She should try going out faster, and then speed up at the end.
"Finally, for the first time in about four to five years, I'm able to focus on the race that's right in front of me. And be really aggressive about it. So it's a unique place to be, and it's exciting and fun to attack one race and do things a little differently than ever before."
"I feel like I'm also more willing to test myself and go to the well - in Rio it was like, "Don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt."....We're pushing boundaries a little more."
"We haven't dialed in the plan yet. I think the biggest thing with being aggressive and pushing these boundaries is that it's going to give me a bigger range. Maybe I can go with some 5:10s....It gives me more flexibility in my race strategy, which is nice. We'll sit down and look at the field and figure out what the best tactic is. There will still be a plan, it will probably be more open than ever before. More flexible. I think I'll be able to cover moves that maybe in the past you , ok, that's too rich, even for one mile."
Yeah...read up before pretending you know something.
JH will not finish Boston.
Linden beats people because she is well trained, well prepared, smarter, and tougher than most.
Often she loses to someone that has far more talent, but never a rookie. Jordan is about to get slapped around by a seasoned veteran.
I think people need to focus back on the topic at hand, which is not bashing Desi or Jordan (who are both good runners with opportunities to run very well in Boston) but is instead bashing the OP who is an idiot.
the OP seems like a casual fan, who wishes well for Desi but fears, based on seeing a couple of her races, that she'll hang back.
i don't see how he is being disrespectful. maybe a bit ignorant, but it does seem as though he is a fan and wants Desi to do better.
its funny, some times people care so much about how an athlete performs, and wants so badly for them to win, they will downplay their potential performance or be cynical for the sake of lowering their own expectation (and potential disappointment).
anyway, i love to hear that Desi has been aggressive in her training and cannot wait to see her race through my home town. she has all the tools... and i truly believe she could pull off an incredible race!
Huge learning curve wrote:
Linden beats people because she is well trained, well prepared, smarter, and tougher than most.
Often she loses to someone that has far more talent, but never a rookie. Jordan is about to get slapped around by a seasoned veteran.
If Linden was smart, she would act like Meb and do the exact opposite of what she's doing now. Set expectations low, hope the other competitors don't respect you, and take off from the pack at mile 5 alone.
Instead, she's tooting her horn like a five year old. She has no chance to win. Zero.
Now, if she told Runners World she was mulling retirement, not responding to training, and knows she's not really a contender anymore, then perhaps there could be a scenario where they let her take off from the pack. That window is closed now.
The only marathon runner who can back up their smack talk is Kipchoge. That's the whole list. Everyone else should keep their goals to themselves. Fly under the radar. Let your results talk for once.
Congratulations you have won the dumbest post of the day award.
Someone finishes 2nd at Boston Marathon, closer than any other American women in 30 years and you think she should downplay her goal to win?
She is the ONLY American woman that has earned the right to state that as a goal.
Desi likes to run her race and make sure she has something for the last 10K. The most important thing will be making sure that within that last 10-15K, the leaders are within the catchable distance.
In 2011 (when Desi came in 2nd), Kim Smith took it out hard, but fell off because of calf cramps. The chase pack gobbled her up around mile 18 I think it was. (It was just after the firehouse hill). Desi was about 7-8 strides behind the lead group and was able to regain contact soon after. She was stride for stride with them all coming down Heartbreak at mile 21.
Desi basically has to repeat that kind of placement again. She cannot find herself too far off the leaders in the meat of the hills. Because in a lead pack of 4-5, a couple may drop off. But 1 or 2 will be able to hang tough and make any lead insurmountable.
OP, Des does race for the win. You are talking about someone who does not have the distance runners typical body. Yet she makes up for everything with very hard work in training and races. The fact that she gains momentum at the later stages of the race proves that she is very mentally tough. I have run over 20 marathons, and it is very hard to push yourself in the later stages of a marathon.
Go Des!!!
Mary Cain will come out ahead in the elite women division. Bank on it.
Linden's build is fine for the marathon.
The thing people miss when they say she has to be in better position late in the race is that it's not that easy. There's no sense in converting a hard early move if it leaves her tank empty. Linden's strength tactically has always been knowing when a move is too early and too aggressive to be worth the cost she'll pay later.
kays for days wrote:
I think people need to focus back on the topic at hand, which is not bashing Desi or Jordan (who are both good runners with opportunities to run very well in Boston) but is instead bashing the OP who is an idiot.
Winner of thread :)
driverdan wrote:
the OP seems like a casual fan, who wishes well for Desi but fears, based on seeing a couple of her races, that she'll hang back.
i don't see how he is being disrespectful. maybe a bit ignorant, but it does seem as though he is a fan and wants Desi to do better.
its funny, some times people care so much about how an athlete performs, and wants so badly for them to win, they will downplay their potential performance or be cynical for the sake of lowering their own expectation (and potential disappointment).
anyway, i love to hear that Desi has been aggressive in her training and cannot wait to see her race through my home town. she has all the tools... and i truly believe she could pull off an incredible race!
Thanks ! That is exactly my point.
There are a couple Hanson Trollers on this site who's opinion means absolutely nothing
Desi , just blast it from the start, that is the best option I think . LOL
No way JH "gets slapped around" by Desi. If JH solely wants to beat Desi, she would just sit on her for 25 miles and fly by Desi. Instead, I think JH will stick with the leaders. I think JH will only let the leaders go if they start tracking a pace that is better than 70 flat at 13.1. Anyhow, I wish both ladies well, and would be thrilled to death to see either win.
Huge learning curve wrote:
Linden beats people because she is well trained, well prepared, smarter, and tougher than most.
Often she loses to someone that has far more talent, but never a rookie. Jordan is about to get slapped around by a seasoned veteran.
That's great! Keep us updated!