8 of Top 10 Finishers at "USA" 15k Champs were African.

Goodkidmaadcity wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

FTFY

No actually Ben Carson called slaves immigrants fam lol.

And Obama said the same thing verbatim in 2009 (and his ancestors weren't slaves unlike Dr. Carson). Lol

I was looking at the results from the past years and I think the native born athletes just kind of took a break after 2014. The athletes came, but they were not running as fast. In 2014 the times were faster than this year and there were no African born athletes in the top 10. I know weather plays a factor but perhaps it's just been a change in priority for the native born guys. Or maybe they see that the whole army squad is coming and in the back of their minds they see it as a lost cause so they don't come fired up to win, they come expecting a top 10 finish instead. The army crew is great, they work hard and get results, but the times they ran this year are not untouchable. Not sure how the race played out, but if you try to sit and kick with a silver medalist and his training partners it's probably not going to end well. Take it out hard, going for a record and while you might not break them all, you just might see a more diverse result in the top 10. I love the gate run and give mad props to Richard for getting the best to show up each year. It's not his fault the native born athletes didn't come in top shape or were recovering from injury or have moved up to the Marathon or whatever excuse we want to use. The one excuse that won't work is that these African born Americans are unstoppable, because the times say otherwise.

Men's Results 2017

1. Leonard Korir 43:23

2. Shadrack Kipchirchir 43:23

3. Sam Chelanga 43:28

4. Stanley Kebenei 43:29

5. Paul Chelimo 43:47

6. Kirubel Erassa 43:56

7. Jonathan Grey 44:00

8. Abbabiya Simbassa 44:05

9. Hillary Bor 44:22

10. Parker Stinson 44:36

Men's Results 2014

1 Ben True 43:03

2 Chris Derrick 43:15

3 Tim Ritchie 43:24

4 Christo Landry 43:58

5 Matt Llano 44:02

6 Chris Barnicle 44:26

7 Jon Grey 44:37

8 Sean Quigley 44:43

9 Stephen Pifer 44:51

10 Jeremy Freed 44:51

HardLoper wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I just don't understand the subtle racism people have.

There are few actual racists here, mostly trolls trying to stir the pot.

If you say so...

Facts about races wrote:

Blacks are a different species than Whites. Might as well race against gorillas.

Charming stuff. Not racist at all, just a troll blowing off some steam, of course. LRC becomes more and more inviting to non-whites by the day. At this rate, there will be five, maybe even six non-white visitors to this site by the year 2100.

Podunk U. wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

There are few actual racists here, mostly trolls trying to stir the pot.

If you say so...

It's working on you since you keep feeding them.

Ill Eagle wrote:

I've served with men and women wrote:

Do some of your racist idiots realize that those Americans that were the top runners at the Gate River 15k race are serving in the US Army?

That would destroy all they learned on Faux News.

White boys would go into a coma if they knew that illegal aliens are required to register for the military draft. Kicking them out means more white boys will be drafted to serve a cannon-fodder in a war.

WCAP is just to speed up their citizenship, they aren't deployed or anything. It's fake, these Kenyans aren't fighting against ISIS or something.

And no, these guys aren't American. Requirement should be: born in the US and/or spent the majority of your youth in the US.

Same applies to the NCAAs XC championship I don't understand why the U.S. can't have their OWN championship with out foreigners. We plenty international races already.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I just don't understand the subtle racism people have.

These guys have been here since college freshmen. WCAP gives them a path to citizenship and to continue competing. Who wouldn't want that?

Also there are many former collegian Kenyan runners who stayed in the states and received citizenship other than those select few in WCAP.

Alan

I think you used "subtle" when you meant "grossly overt."

don't feed the trolls wrote:

Podunk U. wrote:

If you say so...

It's working on you since you keep feeding them.

Riiiight. So, this whole thread is predicated on white guys railing on and on, ad nauseum, about African immigrants taking over U.S. track and field, but if I make one response to someone calling black people gorillas and the like, I'm in error. Cover up; your unexamined bias is showing...

ridiculous wrote:

Ill Eagle wrote:

That would destroy all they learned on Faux News.

White boys would go into a coma if they knew that illegal aliens are required to register for the military draft. Kicking them out means more white boys will be drafted to serve a cannon-fodder in a war.

WCAP is just to speed up their citizenship, they aren't deployed or anything. It's fake, these Kenyans aren't fighting against ISIS or something.

And no, these guys aren't American. Requirement should be: born in the US and/or spent the majority of your youth in the US.

Were you upset when Schwarzenegger became governor of California?

ridiculous wrote:

Ill Eagle wrote:

That would destroy all they learned on Faux News.

White boys would go into a coma if they knew that illegal aliens are required to register for the military draft. Kicking them out means more white boys will be drafted to serve a cannon-fodder in a war.

WCAP is just to speed up their citizenship, they aren't deployed or anything. It's fake, these Kenyans aren't fighting against ISIS or something.

And no, these guys aren't American. Requirement should be: born in the US and/or spent the majority of your youth in the US.

Some of the WCAP guys have deployed.

Many soldiers in the army haven't deployed. I've been in nearly 7 years and haven't deployed.

Alan

Podunk U. wrote:

don't feed the trolls wrote:

It's working on you since you keep feeding them.

Riiiight. So, this whole thread is predicated on white guys railing on and on, ad nauseum, about African immigrants taking over U.S. track and field, but if I make one response to someone calling black people gorillas and the like, I'm in error. Cover up; your unexamined bias is showing...

My bias of ignoring the trolls vs feeding them. Yes.

And that makes you proud?

Found a Cushy Job wrote:

And that makes you proud?

Just quoting facts. Ignorant people keep spouting BS bout these guy not being real soldiers because they haven't deployed. That's not something you really have control of.

Alan

I guess its ok to fight and die for this country even if you're not an American, but God forbid you are a "short term" citizen (esp African) and start winning races here...

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

I guess its ok to fight and die for this country even if you're not an American, but God forbid you are a "short term" citizen (esp African) and start winning races here...

I find it interesting that the Army WCAP team coach is no longer an Army coach, it's scrotum cheesehead Scott Simmons from ADP. To me the coach of any WCAP team should be part of the military. Why outsource that job of military coach to a civilian??

Oh wait, is Scott Simmons a veteran?

Answer: Nope.

Army runner wrote:

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

I guess its ok to fight and die for this country even if you're not an American, but God forbid you are a "short term" citizen (esp African) and start winning races here...

I find it interesting that the Army WCAP team coach is no longer an Army coach, it's scrotum cheesehead Scott Simmons from ADP. To me the coach of any WCAP team should be part of the military. Why outsource that job of military coach to a civilian??

Oh wait, is Scott Simmons a veteran?

Answer: Nope.

A lot of civilians have MWR jobs, a lot of civilians work on post....what's your point?

Alan

SHahshsha wrote:

This doesn't sit right with me. Everyone needs to compete for their own country.

You are making the assumption that winning sports competitions actually means something.

Alan

You spend a lot of time on letsrun defending the Army policies and WCAP at various times of day.

WCAP is a discriminatory program, in my opinion, when a non-elite runner can continue to use the system for many years without ever meeting the minimum standards of performance. Either you have minimum standards of performance or you do not.

At a real job, substandard performers are typically placed on a corrective program (maybe 6 months long) to improve to exceed the standards of performance (typically called a performance plan). If the applicant fails to improve, they can be released.

If you do not enforce standards of performance, again in my opinion only, you are illegally spending public dollars on a preferred class (reverse discrimination) and discrimination against other 2:18 plus marathon runners by publishing false acceptance standards to discourage any possible applicants from applying.

I am submitting a FOIA to request application information from WCAP to do an analysis of this program.

Thanks for keeping this active - appreciate your support of the topic.