VIDEO:White off duty cop shoots at a group of kids.....OH BOY.....coward with a badge!

been around ya' know wrote:

threatened his life wrote:

I just watched the video again. During the discussion that is caught on video, the kid clarifies his earlier statement, saying "I didn't say I was going to shoot you, I said I was going to kill you." You are clearly a liar, as he obviously did threaten the gentleman.

Sticks and stones . . . it is never ever OK to pull out a gun in response to having your feelings hurt.

Why couldn't the off-duty officer be as smart as a 13 year old and and shoot a video instead of a gun?

It's not about having his feelings hurt. It is about being threatened, and by punks who know where he lives and can return at any time to follow through.

All threats are credible. A 13-year-old is as capable as anyone of pulling a trigger.

nice nice wrote:

and the results....there was a protest, which is fine.

But some arsholes spray painted graffiti on the wrong house. Some people tried to break into the off-duty cops house and broke some of the windows in his house. A bunch of windows were broken in the neighborhood and car windows were broken too. People were throwing trash and hard objects at cops. Anaheim isn't in Los Angeles. It is a different police department than the police dept the cop in the video works for.

There was one report that cops had to leave the area because there was a mob chasing after them.

How does any of that help?

Welcome to the reactionary, over-generalizing culture we live in when if someone does something bad, anyone and everyone that shares even the most trivial attribute with the wrongdoer is just as culpable.

threatened his life wrote:

It's not about having his feelings hurt. It is about being threatened, and by punks who know where he lives and can return at any time to follow through.

All threats are credible. A 13-year-old is as capable as anyone of pulling a trigger.

If a cop couldn't figure this out, he shouldn't be a cop. No reason to fire a weapon in this situation.

threatened his life wrote:

Slaptheshitoutofacracker wrote:

Were you there? Trumpvestites like you automatically believe the cop no matter the circumstances. Pig: Get off my grass......Kid: I'll shoot you. Does that make any fvcking sense to you? We are talking about a tiny 13 year old. If pulling out a gun and shooting is a reasonable reaction to you... then you my friend are a complete and total a$$hole!!!!!!

I just watched the video again. During the discussion that is caught on video, the kid clarifies his earlier statement, saying "I didn't say I was going to shoot you, I said I was going to kill you." You are clearly a liar, as he obviously did threaten the gentleman.

OK lets go with your story. A 13yr old child says he is going to kill you and you pull out a fvcking gun and shoot? Really?

Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:

threatened his life wrote:

It's not about having his feelings hurt. It is about being threatened, and by punks who know where he lives and can return at any time to follow through.

All threats are credible. A 13-year-old is as capable as anyone of pulling a trigger.

If a cop couldn't figure this out, he shouldn't be a cop. No reason to fire a weapon in this situation.

I didn't hear the kid say anything about killing anyone. I DID, however, hear him repeatedly state that he did not threaten to shoot the man. Following the kid's insistence that the man let go of him + his clear statement that he had no intention of physically harming the guy except as a measure of self-defense, I believe that the man continuing to keep ahold of him unnecessarily escalated the situation.

I've seen the video from a couple angles, but without the ~2 minutes prior to the conflict, you can't glean all that much. It looks, however, like the guy yelled something offensive at a girl crossing his lawn (the one who can be seen trying to pull the kid away from the man at one point) and the boy yelled "I'm going to [sue/shoot/most likely "shoe"--could've reasonably been heard as either]" at the man. The man evidently heard "shoot," and went after the kid.

At this point, I assume the right thing for this off duty police officer to do would have been to call the cops on the kids. Have an on-duty officer come speak to the 13 year old, both to clarify everything and give him a stern lecture on not potentially making felony level threats, etc. The kid might have gotten in some trouble (or more likely been assigned speech lessons...) but probably not given that "shoe" could easily be construed as either "sue" or "shoot."

Rather than calling Anaheim PD, the man accosted the kid. I understand that the man is a cop and may have had the right to arrest the kid (I'm unsure of California regulations + the guy was an LAPD officer, not APD) but his actions were irresponsible at best, and probably border on criminal. Warning shots are illegal, and this situation probably falls under negligent discharge of a firearm. Given that the kid clearly did not believe the guy was a cop, I assume the cop did not show his badge/other ID. I'm unsure if this is illegal in California (it probably varies from department to department), but regardless, a dude yelling "I'm a cop" and grabbing a kid after walking on his lawn would lead me to think "child molester" before it'd lead me to think "probably a cop."

Look, the kid clearly screwed up--if a crazy dude is yelling offensive shit at your friend and telling her to get off his lawn, just get off his lawn. It's not that hard. But the man basically took the worst line of action possible aside from actually shooting the kid. It's a bloody mess of a situation and the only conclusion there really is to be had is that both sides are idiots.

Put the bully in jail. wrote:

The boy said no such thing to the thug.

threatened his life wrote:

Correct. He did not say any such thing to any of the thugs that were crowding around. He did speak the exact words quoted to the homeowner, though.

Or more likely, you're not acting at all.

If that bully who tossed the boy around by his neck is justified to shoot at the boy for defending a girl, then the boy's family and friends are justified to do much worse to the bully.

I think I heard on the radio a 911 call was made from the cops house. One of the girls early in one of the videos asked why did he call the cops.

It is not illegal to fire a warning shot but it is highly discouraged.

The cop did not handle this the best way he could have.

It sounds like he did identify himself as a cop but the kids did not believe him. This is not completely clear but my best guess.

A kid there said the cop grabbed the kid after the kid said he would sue him and the cop thought the kid said shoot him.

The Kids have been released and the cop went to the station and was processed. The DA is going to do an investigation and decide if they will press charges on anyone. Lapd is going to do their own investigation.

The vandalism from the protests cannot be justified. A 76 year old guy had to be escorted out of his house who had nothing to do with the case after the crowd went after his house. Someone threw a rock threw his bedroom window.

Nice nice wrote:

It is not illegal to fire a warning shot but it is highly discouraged.

Actually, California penal code specifically defines warning shots to be classed under negligent discharge of a firearm--a felony level offense.

If a shot is fired in self defense, it could be a valid defense against charges of negligent discharge of a firearm. Thus, if a person reasonably believes they are about to be attacked or killed, he can legally fire a "warning shot."

nice nice wrote:

If a shot is fired in self defense, it could be a valid defense against charges of negligent discharge of a firearm. Thus, if a person reasonably believes they are about to be attacked or killed, he can legally fire a "warning shot."

If he thought his life was in danger from that teen then why did he hold onto him? Surely he should back away? If the kid then looked to be drawing a weapon the officer could draw his first and control the situation.

No, this guy got pissed off with some kid, starting grabbing and throwing him around, then pulled out his gun because that's all these officers get taught. "If you don't know how to deal with a situation then pull out your gun".

We see it time and time again. The training of these cops is low grade, they don't know how to deal with situations so they just pull a weapon on unarmed kids, old ladies, disabled people etc. Sometimes they accidentally shoot.

This officer is extremely lucky that bullet didn't hit anyone. The old "he was reaching for my gun" wouldn't work here as he wasn't in uniform and carrying concealed.

Pookie Jones wrote:

Investor wrote:

Privileged blacks have the right to trespass and to assault anyone. Clearly they were wronged. Also, cop didn't shoot at anyone.

First of all dumba$$, it's kind of hard to see but I'm pretty sure the kid was not black. The other kids were definitely were not all black. Secondly, you let me shoot towards a group of children and claim I wasn't trying to shoot anyone.....I'll be in handcuffs immediately. I truly hate fvck boy peckerwoods like you who constantly try to make excuses for pigs bad behavior. These were young children, most likely middleschoolers......them cutting through his yard in no way justifies that cops reaction.

How many times ya gotta tell them : Get off My Lawn!!

I hope the pig had a good night's rest in his safe, secure home.

Hahahahaha.......

He waited to pull out his gun after one kid pushed him through the hedges and another kid took a swing at him and another kid jumped the hedges and reached into his back pocket. I doubt he will be charged. Everyone there said he pointed the gun to the ground before he fired.

It should have not got to that point and the guy will likely be fired.

Nice nice wrote:

He waited to pull out his gun after one kid pushed him through the hedges and another kid took a swing at him and another kid jumped the hedges and reached into his back pocket. I doubt he will be charged. Everyone there said he pointed the gun to the ground before he fired.

It should have not got to that point and the guy will likely be fired.

This. If I was in the exact situation of that cop I would have pulled the gun out also. HOWEVER, the way that situation played out was wrong. Dude should have just held the kids there and called for another cop.

Smooth Playa wrote:

Nice nice wrote:

He waited to pull out his gun after one kid pushed him through the hedges and another kid took a swing at him and another kid jumped the hedges and reached into his back pocket. I doubt he will be charged. Everyone there said he pointed the gun to the ground before he fired.

It should have not got to that point and the guy will likely be fired.

This. If I was in the exact situation of that cop I would have pulled the gun out also. HOWEVER, the way that situation played out was wrong. Dude should have just held the kids there and called for another cop.

The correct answer.

conservative cali wrote:

Nice nice wrote:

It is not illegal to fire a warning shot but it is highly discouraged.

Actually, California penal code specifically defines warning shots to be classed under negligent discharge of a firearm--a felony level offense.

Yes, and assault and abducting a minor.

Lock him up. Lock him up.

Man, I miss the good old days, when firing your gun harmlessly into the ground would just make kids s**t themselves and stay off your property, instead of getting mommy and daddy to sue you.

***sigh***

But the boy's mother disputes that -- saying her son said he was going to sue, not shoot, the officer.

They do lie fast, if not well. heh...