The 3rd of all time has 12:39 so forget your top 3 "at least". It's ridiculous that a double olympic champion doesn't even appear in the first 25 times.
It's very unlikely that he will even get close to his own 12:53. His approach isn't really helping him either.
To this point he's trained to have 3:28 1500m speed. Surely if he's moving to marathons he'll drop the mid-d training and concentrate on stength. My hope is that he does that now and gives us a track season showing what he's capable of as a distance runner who doesn't have to keep in touch with high end 1500m speed.
test2 wrote:
To this point he's trained to have 3:28 1500m speed. Surely if he's moving to marathons he'll drop the mid-d training and concentrate on stength. My hope is that he does that now and gives us a track season showing what he's capable of as a distance runner who doesn't have to keep in touch with high end 1500m speed.
+1
Good Workout wrote:
It's very unlikely that he will even get close to his own 12:53. His approach isn't really helping him either.
Yeah, I don't think he will ever get close to this time.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Good Workout wrote:It's very unlikely that he will even get close to his own 12:53. His approach isn't really helping him either.
Yeah, I don't think he will ever get close to this time.
You may be right but, if so, what the hell is he thinking moving up to the marathon where the top guys are running 2:03-flat?
test2 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Yeah, I don't think he will ever get close to this time.
You may be right but, if so, what the hell is he thinking moving up to the marathon where the top guys are running 2:03-flat?
My suspicion is that he sees this as a chance to make some cash in appearance fees, but I don't really know...it isn't as if he is hurting for money.
test2 wrote:
To this point he's trained to have 3:28 1500m speed. Surely if he's moving to marathons he'll drop the mid-d training and concentrate on stength. My hope is that he does that now and gives us a track season showing what he's capable of as a distance runner who doesn't have to keep in touch with high end 1500m speed.
My biggest regret is that Mo hasn't focused for a season on 1500 (with the odd 800 sharpener and a couple of 3000s/5000s for endurance). I mean, 3:28 when NOT training for it? He is a better 1500 runner than he will be overf the marathon.
Womack wrote:
https://youtu.be/IgSZZJuiF7YAnother year of tactical races by Mo. we fed up with that. Go for WR already.
Did we watch the same race? Mo was tired as fûck and barely managed a mobot at the end. When he took the lead he never let it go and accelerated at least 5 times while he held off Rop. It was an impressive performance
Mr. Obvious wrote:
test2 wrote:You may be right but, if so, what the hell is he thinking moving up to the marathon where the top guys are running 2:03-flat?
My suspicion is that he sees this as a chance to make some cash in appearance fees, but I don't really know...it isn't as if he is hurting for money.
I tend to think he and Salazar wouldn't be doing this if they though he'd be only a middling marathoner. We always argue about whether he's the GOAT. Well, if he moves up and doesn't win anything and can't even break Steve Jones' U.K. marathon record, it'll be the end to all that talk.
heythereyou wrote:
Womack wrote:https://youtu.be/IgSZZJuiF7YAnother year of tactical races by Mo. we fed up with that. Go for WR already.
Did we watch the same race? Mo was tired as fûck and barely managed a mobot at the end. When he took the lead he never let it go and accelerated at least 5 times while he held off Rop. It was an impressive performance
I think some people don't fully appreciate that there is more to racing than the final time on the clock. A thrilling race can have more elements than just clicking off 2:35kms.
Middle94 wrote:
heythereyou wrote:Did we watch the same race? Mo was tired as fûck and barely managed a mobot at the end. When he took the lead he never let it go and accelerated at least 5 times while he held off Rop. It was an impressive performance
I think some people don't fully appreciate that there is more to racing than the final time on the clock. A thrilling race can have more elements than just clicking off 2:35kms.
And it is those thrilling races that make track so popular with the general public.
You mean thrilling like this?
Kipchoge teaches Farah a thing or two bout racing. Mo forced into a normal fast race and lacks the usual kick.
I say had Kipchoge gone for the olympics track 2012 and for 2016 he would have smoked Farah
Womack wrote:
wearenot wrote:"We're not interested of seeing another tactical championship. We want attempts for records."
We thought we were the only collective posting are let's run. We welcome all of you to the board.
However, we are happy with actual races. Where we don't know what the pace will be. Where we don't have to see rabbits peeling off one by one at some pre-determined pass. We like when each individual in a race has to decide their own tactics as the race unfolds in front off them.
We think that is real racing. We are sorry others don't agree, but we like racing as a pure form on mano-a-mano. Yes, we's do.
The Royal We.
What's so interesting about seeing "real racing"?
I can see my son racing his mates in the yard of the school. I say all you "real racing no rabbits" supporters are nothing but Farah's british worshipers in Disguise. The Rio 1500m final- that's your definition of real racing?? More like the definition of real cowardice. No podium should have been for that race. Actual racing where we don't know the pace- pleass... we know the pace- slowww. We know- 4,600m warm-up jog- 400 dash. Rabbits and WR attempts doesn't mean not racing, it means racing fast, but all you slow-Mo fans know he can't handle that so you come up with all that "anti rabbits actual racing" talk.
Look at Ayana and Dibaba- are they not true racing?? They are racing and racing fast! The cowerd track men should take example from them. Just last year- so many WR attempts by Dibaba and Ayana and true racing between them- and for you "no rabbits" people, there weren't rabbits there. True racing is fast racing not shameful jog and kick. Only the season opening and you see G Dibaba going sub 4 minutes for 1500m indoors and breaking WR for 2000 indoors faster than the outdoor one. If she can go for records in February I'm sure Slow-Mo can- but he won't.
I couldn't agree more with regards to my disgust at the Rio 1500. What is the point of jogging 70% of the event and then trying really hard during the last 30%? If you are a 1500m runner, then run the effing 1500. Don't try to see who can jog at a moderate pace for 1k and sprint the fastest for the last 500 meters. How ridiculous would it be to see the same approach in the sprints? What if sprinters strided out for 70 meters and then made a mad dash for the finish line in the last 30 meters? You would be wondering what mental disorder they must all be suffering from. The whole point of distance running is that since you are not fast enough to compete with sprinters, the only thing you got is your willingness to punish yourself for a longer distance. For any running event in track, any time you don't run it as fast as you can for the entire distance, you are wasting your time and talent. You're basically just treating the race like a speed workout. You are in effect, not really racing.
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."
-Pre
The runners who approach their career with this mentality are rightfully deserving of more admiration. Mo is not such a runner, and therefor does not deserve the same admiration, regardless of his medal haul.
test2 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:My suspicion is that he sees this as a chance to make some cash in appearance fees, but I don't really know...it isn't as if he is hurting for money.
I tend to think he and Salazar wouldn't be doing this if they though he'd be only a middling marathoner. We always argue about whether he's the GOAT. Well, if he moves up and doesn't win anything and can't even break Steve Jones' U.K. marathon record, it'll be the end to all that talk.
Mo is a very good runner with a fantastic record of success. I think anybody who argues about whether he is the GOAT is delusional.
Womack wrote:
I say had Kipchoge gone for the olympics track 2012 and for 2016 he would have smoked Farah
Kipchoge did try to make the Kenyan 10k team in 2012, but came up short. I remember rooting for him at the "distance night" the day before the Pre Classic in 2012.
Womack wrote:
https://youtu.be/MTaMdJVFdhwYou mean thrilling like this?
Kipchoge teaches Farah a thing or two bout racing. Mo forced into a normal fast race and lacks the usual kick.
Yes that was a good race and certainly wasn't a time trial. Farah ran 8:03 in a timetrial just clicking off splits like lots of people here say they want to see. This race was a lot more exciting with tactics, surges and kicks.
Womack wrote:
And another thing- Mo will not go down in history as the man who did a double double. He will go down as an avrage runner who didn't hold any true record and didn't try going for one. If he wants to be something he should start going for records.
Good effort but Mo will go down as one of the best because he wins titles. You know, winning. That thing you're meant to do when you race.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
test2 wrote:I tend to think he and Salazar wouldn't be doing this if they though he'd be only a middling marathoner. We always argue about whether he's the GOAT. Well, if he moves up and doesn't win anything and can't even break Steve Jones' U.K. marathon record, it'll be the end to all that talk.
Mo is a very good runner with a fantastic record of success. I think anybody who argues about whether he is the GOAT is delusional.
Surely not but consider that his career isn't complete. Were he to pop some fast times this spring and really make a splash in the marathon, I'd reconsider his case. I'm not sure either part of that is particularly likely though.