Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Dan Kahneman wrote:

The trial with lots of video's of Trump's comments and witnesses claiming they thought the attack was under Trumps orders order might convince some people. . As of now I don't think the senate would have enough to convict.

It doesn't matter if he is convicted or not. The testimony against Trump will be devastating and what's left of his reputation will be destroyed. If the Republicans bail him out again, it will make no difference.

The idea that he will ever run for the presidency again, is ridiculous.

how could you watch the political envirnoment for the last 5 years and think that 'testimony' will damage Trump and destroy his reputation?

Serious question. What part of anything makes you think the m/gas will care? And the m/gas own the GOP, because they decide who wins the primary elections.

Flybang mosh wrote:

agip wrote:

The US has managed to drop its new case count by 10% or so over the last week or so. Which is significant and material.

Deaths are stable.

Israel has plateaued for both.

All using the 7 day average.

CA is a mess. On Dec 1, just 6 weeks ago, 64 people per day were dying. Now 527 people per day are dying.

Over 2 million deaths so far, worldwide. The US has been 20% of that number, consistently and still is.

The pandemic doesn't make much news anymore. It's like the media found something more interesting to be alarmed and outraged about. At times, you wonder if the media are as manipulative as they often appear to be, or whether they are more like little kids with a new toy.

Those California numbers are really scary. I'm glad someone noticed!

be more serious, wouldja?

You aren't dumb -stop with the trolling and intentional idiocy.

Every newspaper has the virus on the front page and has for the last many months.

L L wrote:

For the upcoming impeachment trial that Sally says cannot Constitutionally happen, it’s all about getting 67 votes.

I’ll assume 51 are locked up (all Democrats, Independents and Mitt Romney.

16 additional Rs have to convict.

It’s not going to be about how the trial goes or any evidence.

It will be a political calculation and they want to spin it. It also may vary based on Trumps voters feel or express themselves.

And maybe based on what McConnell wants to do.

I agree with all of that. Unfortunately I think some GOP Senators do fear for their lives or the lives of their family. Some will rationalize that he's gone anyway.

To be fair, it can be a political calculation for a GOP Senator to say yay. If they want to run for President in 2024 and they believe this is a step toward either not allowing Trump to be able to run again (more needs to be done for that), or that it weakens him to the point he couldn't get the GOP nomination again.

agip wrote:

how could you watch the political envirnoment for the last 5 years and think that 'testimony' will damage Trump and destroy his reputation?

Serious question. What part of anything makes you think the m/gas will care? And the m/gas own the GOP, because they decide who wins the primary elections.

I just ran across this. It's another take on the power split in the Republican party.

The perspective is "Institutional Power" vs "Popular Power". Institutional power is the power to control legislative outcomes (McConnell & Pelosi). Popular power is the ability to control the electorate (Trump).

It makes the case that Trump tapped into a popular power base that doesn't care about favorable legislative outcomes (health care reform, judiciary, etc) so much as simply having power to wield (owning the libs) and why popular power might be more persistent than than conventional politics might suppose.

new coll wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The idea that he will ever run for the presidency again, is ridiculous.

Trump will run again as a means to raise money and to screw over the GOP traitors.

How can he possibly communicate with his base without the use of Twitter? It's also likely he will be limited to his base for fund raising. Give that most of his current base will realize he has no chance of winning in 2024, he's no longer going to have the leverage to screw anyone over. I believe he has permanently gone around the bend and will no longer be capable of making speeches that are compelling to his targeted voters.

Trumpism is done.

This is correct!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

new coll wrote:

Trump will run again as a means to raise money and to screw over the GOP traitors.

How can he possibly communicate with his base without the use of Twitter? It's also likely he will be limited to his base for fund raising. Give that most of his current base will realize he has no chance of winning in 2024, he's no longer going to have the leverage to screw anyone over. I believe he has permanently gone around the bend and will no longer be capable of making speeches that are compelling to his targeted voters.

Trumpism is done.

Don Jr and Ivanka are the means of future communication with the base. They are also the political means of going after GOP traitors. If Trump is convicted and prevented from running for office again that won't prevent him from showing up as the feature guest at a Don Jr or Ivanka politcal rally.

Flagpole wrote:

new coll wrote:

There are MA-GA exterminsts calling for termination of Trump for being a traitor to their cause. Trump is like the fool who walked into the swamp of hungry aligators a few couple and exited unscathed. He decides he the gators will never attack and enters the swamp and then is never seen again. Trump is not as important to MA-GAs as people might think. Destruction of the government and anarchy is what they lust for.

This is correct!

Trump to his followers as they terminate him: "Et tu, MA-GAs." To paraphrase William Shakespeare's play "Julius Caesar".

agip wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It doesn't matter if he is convicted or not. The testimony against Trump will be devastating and what's left of his reputation will be destroyed. If the Republicans bail him out again, it will make no difference.

The idea that he will ever run for the presidency again, is ridiculous.

how could you watch the political envirnoment for the last 5 years and think that 'testimony' will damage Trump and destroy his reputation?

Serious question. What part of anything makes you think the m/gas will care? And the m/gas own the GOP, because they decide who wins the primary elections.

Trump has already taken about a 10 point hit in his approval ratings. What makes you think it can't get even worse? There will be a lot of leeway for questions allowed to be asked and there might even be testimony about what Trump really thinks about his base. It's not written in stone that his base can't be wooed by a more mainstream candidate that makes similar promises.

According to some sources, Giuliani is still being considered for leading Trump's defense which, if true, will make it even worse for Trump.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

new coll wrote:

Trump will run again as a means to raise money and to screw over the GOP traitors.

How can he possibly communicate with his base without the use of Twitter? It's also likely he will be limited to his base for fund raising. Give that most of his current base will realize he has no chance of winning in 2024, he's no longer going to have the leverage to screw anyone over. I believe he has permanently gone around the bend and will no longer be capable of making speeches that are compelling to his targeted voters.

Trumpism is done.

Yep. Trumpism is done. This was going to happen even before all the social media platforms banned him for life. The red hats love him only because he has power and spews their uneducated nonsense. When the power is removed, they will lose their love. Many of them will never vote for a Presidential candidate again. Trump has left the GOP greatly damaged. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward.

I can agree with the second "out," but not the first one. What he said in the phone call was clear. No honest person could say that he didn't do a bad thing.

Not entirely true. His influence would have waned slightly with a few of his followers once he left office, but he would still have considerable influence.

Even if he wasn't allowed to run for POTUS again, from 2021 to 2024, it would have been non-stop that he was coming back for another run. He would have attacked Biden and others (to the glee of his base) every single day.

Now that he has lost the ability to communicate with millions of his followers quickly and frequently, he is toast.

agip wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It doesn't matter if he is convicted or not. The testimony against Trump will be devastating and what's left of his reputation will be destroyed. If the Republicans bail him out again, it will make no difference.

The idea that he will ever run for the presidency again, is ridiculous.

how could you watch the political envirnoment for the last 5 years and think that 'testimony' will damage Trump and destroy his reputation?

Serious question. What part of anything makes you think the m/gas will care? And the m/gas own the GOP, because they decide who wins the primary elections.

Some things:

1) Jan. 6 woke some of these morons up. We can see that in his approval rating which fell off a cliff after that.

2) Congress MIGHT not allow him to run again for any federal office.

3) He's in such legal trouble that he MIGHT be in prison when the next election comes.

4) He's in such financial trouble that his fake image of being a billionaire will be exposed, and that takes the bloom off for a lot of people.

5) Many of the moron red hats feel betrayed already by Trump. He called them to DC and claimed to have big information that would blow their minds. He provided nothing. He said he would march to the Capitol Building with them and then didn't. He then later (under pressure of course) denounced their violence and said there would be a peaceful transfer of power...so basically a concession without him actually saying he lost.

Flybang mosh wrote:

agip wrote:

The US has managed to drop its new case count by 10% or so over the last week or so. Which is significant and material.

Deaths are stable.

Israel has plateaued for both.

All using the 7 day average.

CA is a mess. On Dec 1, just 6 weeks ago, 64 people per day were dying. Now 527 people per day are dying.

Over 2 million deaths so far, worldwide. The US has been 20% of that number, consistently and still is.

The pandemic doesn't make much news anymore. It's like the media found something more interesting to be alarmed and outraged about. At times, you wonder if the media are as manipulative as they often appear to be, or whether they are more like little kids with a new toy.

Those California numbers are really scary. I'm glad someone noticed!

Depends where you're looking. Pre-riot (even), when deaths were approaching 4k/day, I'd check Fox online every once in a while to see what the Trumpers see. You had to do a lot of scrolling to know about the height of panedemic, and even then it wasn't obvious. That hasn't been and still isn't true about the non-Trump outlets. But I don't think that an insurrection is a terribly bad excuse for perhaps being "distracted" a bit.

Here's the answer to the lame Trumper media complaints: The media has had a liberal bias for generations. Depending on the topic and the day, sometimes badly so. If the media covered Trump even CLOSE to honestly/accurately, it would have NO choice but to paint an incredibly damning picture. Trump is SO bad that he made a liberal bias completely unnecessary for this to be true. And yet, the Trumpers STILL want to blame the media. Do NOTHING but read his tweets - i.e., zero media filter - and anyone would know this not to be true. And yet. Absolutely pathetic.

All of you guys are leaving out part of what the Constitution explicitly says. It doesn't say " convict.". No, all of you guys are leaving out a key part of what it says.." It says "convict and remove from office...". I hate to break it to you guys BUT he WON'T be in office to be removed from office. Think about it!!!

Well, this is now something neither of us can prove. Even before Jan. 6, there were moron red hats who were turning on Trump because they said he didn't "fix it" so Biden would not be sworn in. I use that as part of my reasoning. I use the fact he's a populist and populism lasts one election cycle as part of my reasoning. I use the fact that even before Jan. 6 he was going to be in tremendous legal trouble that WILL expose how big of a fraud he is as part of my reasoning. I use the fact he lost as part of my reasoning, and neither he nor many of his moron followers respect losers.

Flybang mosh wrote:

agip wrote:

The US has managed to drop its new case count by 10% or so over the last week or so. Which is significant and material.

Deaths are stable.

Israel has plateaued for both.

All using the 7 day average.

CA is a mess. On Dec 1, just 6 weeks ago, 64 people per day were dying. Now 527 people per day are dying.

Over 2 million deaths so far, worldwide. The US has been 20% of that number, consistently and still is.

The pandemic doesn't make much news anymore. It's like the media found something more interesting to be alarmed and outraged about. At times, you wonder if the media are as manipulative as they often appear to be, or whether they are more like little kids with a new toy.

Those California numbers are really scary. I'm glad someone noticed!

No, the California number are not really scary. As usual, folks on here are looking at the past.

California new cases have not gone up in a full month now. If folks had said that "CA is a mess" or "those California numbers are really scary" back in the middle of December they would have been correct. At this time, such comments are simply inappropriate to the situation on hand. But they do match the narrative being put out by MSM. Not so sure that is a plus.

If you want to have any idea of what is happening with the pandemic, look at new case numbers. Deaths tell you what happened a month earlier.

new coll wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

I'd be a little cautious in interpreting a decline. The peak we saw the previous week could have just been "catch up" in reporting after the holidays.

Still, there's little indication of growth in cases over the past few weeks so there's reason to believe we're near the peak whether it has already passed or not.

The primary reason cases are down is becasue it is winter. Isolate indoors or freeze outdoors. As soon as it warms up cases will climb again.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Not sure if you were just trying to be funny.