Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

And you wonder why no one wants to remember you, posting stuff like this...

Shut up, dumb@ss. Trump is a figurehead? Of course when things aren't going well, you say he's a figurehead. When stuff goes well, even if he had nothing to do with it, it's all due to his brilliance. He dropped the ball on the coronavirus. He has consistently made statements that are contrary to what the experts like Dr. Fauci have been saying. He made jokes early on about how this was not to be taken seriously. Part of the reason there has been panic about this is because we all know Trump is full of sh!t, and we can't trust him to tell us the truth or really even understand what the truth is. He has zero leadership capabilities. Even in today's news conference, he commented about how complimentary someone was of the work he has done and how warmly he was received in India. What a narcissist. This is not the time to be trying to pat yourself on the back. Time to step up there and do what is necessary to help Americans only, and on that he once again failed.

You are the dumbest person I have ever encountered. Just an idiot fool.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

You are trying to make a case that the aggressive spread of CV is a nonissue... and you are failing miserably. Get your head in the game.

I am not saying it is a non-issue but look at the STATS:

Coronavirus cases in America so far - about 1700

Swine Flu cases in America (circa 2009) - 61 MILLION

One is 4 digits

The other - where no one was panicking - is 8 digits. The swine flu had 40 million TIMES infected Americans than the CV currently has.

Oh look. You trying to do math which of course was way off. Cute I guess. Why do you continue to embarrass yourself so? Intellectual discussion is not for you. Do not try to engage in it. Idiot.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

Dude, H1N1 in2009 was swine flu, first off. I'm not going to fact check you but get it together.

Regarding the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 "swine flu" in the US:

Confirmed cases: 115,318

Confirmed deaths: 3,433

The higher numbers mentioned earlier are based on estimates.

If you want estimates on COVID-19, it is that it will be contracted by 70 to 150 million Americans.

Wikipedia says something very different than what you are saying but I don't know:

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Regarding the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 "swine flu" in the US:

Confirmed cases: 115,318

Confirmed deaths: 3,433

The higher numbers mentioned earlier are based on estimates.

If you want estimates on COVID-19, it is that it will be contracted by 70 to 150 million Americans.

Wikipedia says something very different than what you are saying but I don't know:

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]

Fat Hurts - where did you get your information? Because you are spreading disinformation.

H1N1 was first detected in April 2009 in a 10-year-old girl in California. It was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. 2 Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Regarding the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 "swine flu" in the US:

Confirmed cases: 115,318

Confirmed deaths: 3,433

The higher numbers mentioned earlier are based on estimates.

If you want estimates on COVID-19, it is that it will be contracted by 70 to 150 million Americans.

Wikipedia says something very different than what you are saying but I don't know:

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]

Like I said, those are estimates. They are just like the recent estimates from Congress' in-house doctor who said he estimates 70 to 150 million Americans will get COVID-19.

Confirmed cases are listed on the wikipedia page for 2009 flu pandemic. I don't know how good those numbers are. But they are all annotated and appear to be gathered from individual state-level reporting.

The point here is that there is a huge difference between estimated cases and confirmed cases. We shouldn't conflate the two when comparing outbreaks.

Fat Hurts - this is from the CDC itself. Please let us know where you got your bogus numbers. Because you are touting bogus numbers.

Again, this is from the CDC itself:

During the pandemic, CDC provided estimates of the numbers of 2009 H1N1 cases, hospitalizations and deaths on seven different occasions. Final estimates were published in 2011. These final estimates were that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) occurred in the United States due to pH1N1. These final estimates are available at: Estimating the burden of 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) in the United States (April 2009-April 2010)External Web Site Icon, Shrestha SS, et al., Clin Infect Dis. 2011 Jan 1;52 Suppl 1:S75-82.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

If trumpanzees want to wake up they may notice that both people & businesses have a lot of short-term cash obligations in modern life. They can’t just move onto farms & work the fields as millions did in the past (if, in fact, they weren’t already farmers).

They expect to live a long life & have little experience with, or possibly immunity to, new diseases. They’re not going to Doc Watson down the street. They may not even know anyone their whole life who’s died in an epidemic.

Teamwork is the only solution.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Regarding the 2009 outbreak of H1N1 "swine flu" in the US:

Confirmed cases: 115,318

Confirmed deaths: 3,433

The higher numbers mentioned earlier are based on estimates.

If you want estimates on COVID-19, it is that it will be contracted by 70 to 150 million Americans.

Wikipedia says something very different than what you are saying but I don't know:

As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[117] [118]

It's funny how people can look at the same thing and then talk past each other.

Fat Hurts' numbers are literally in the Wikipedia article (that you didn't link) and the difference is explained in the footnote 118 that you copied and pasted above.

In short Fat Hurts is quoting the actual count and Agip is quoting a modeled number based on a likely under count.

Which also brings up those who are questioning the counts for the COVID-19 virus while ignoring that the same challenges apply to whatever they might be using for comparison.

Good post, thanks. (No sarcasm)

Yep. You got it.

Fat hurts wrote:

Well, ok then wrote:

It's funny how people can look at the same thing and then talk past each other.

Fat Hurts' numbers are literally in the Wikipedia article (that you didn't link) and the difference is explained in the footnote 118 that you copied and pasted above.

In short Fat Hurts is quoting the actual count and Agip is quoting a modeled number based on a likely under count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States#cite_note-118

Which also brings up those who are questioning the counts for the COVID-19 virus while ignoring that the same challenges apply to whatever they might be using for comparison.

Yep. You got it.

but arent' the estimated counts better to go by? I assume that scientists put the estimates together using tried and true methods of extrapolation. Seems that going with the hard count numbers is not the best way to get a picture of the damage of the epidemic.

jesseriley wrote:

I think sally can’t tell viruses apart.

A virus is less than a single cell that exists only to plague complete organisms. Not to be confused with trump.

What about the Trumpavirus, reputedly fatal to intelligence - as its host demonstrates?

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

^ tzee in the midst of a crisis pretending there is no crisis

Dude - come on. 1700 cases of CV so far and 61 MILLION cases of the swine flu. Which is larger - 1700 or 61 Million. I think you can even figure that out.

I'm.sure you think 1 lap of the track is the same as a mile.

Daily Update

Daily case growth (%):

Mar 8: 16.7

Mar 9: 15.8

Mar 10: 15.3

Mar 11: 16.0

Mar 12: 16.6

Mar 13: 17.2

This means the total number of cases doubles TWICE in nine days! It will take 45 days for the current number of cases to be multiplied by one thousand - US cases to go from 2,269 to 2.3 Million before the end of April!

Daily death growth (%):

Mar 8: 43.1

Mar 9: 34.0

Mar 10: 32.1

Mar 11: 31.0

Mar 12: 29.6

Mar 13: 28.7

Fatality Rate (Cumulative deaths/cases)

Mar 8: 2.4%

Mar 9: 2.7%

Mar 10: 3.0%

Mar 11: 3.2%

Mar 12: 3.4%

Mar 13: 3.5%

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The numbers above probably don't mean much to you unless you are mathematically inclined. So,, today I will present to you a single fact that should be accessible to everyone. Feel free to ask questions.

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The following is not an opinion.

It is not a prediction.

It is a mathematical certainty.

A fact.

FACT: The entire US economy is going to be shut down by COVID-19 within the next 6 months.

That means that if you cannot work from home then you will be told to not work. Exceptions will be made for individuals working in the food supply chain, the medical supplies and care supply chain, public utilities such as electricity, gas, water, garbage . . . , police, fire departments, etc. Everyone else who cannot work from home will have no work for a period of time.

Every school will be shut down. Every gathering will be cancelled. Every single city and town in this country is going to look like a ghost town. Nobody will be outside. And when they are forced outside they will be wearing masks. They will be scared of each other and will cross the street to stay on opposite sides whenever their paths cross.

This is not a possibility.

This is a fact.

A mathematical certainty.

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There remain two options for us:

1) Shut down now: In this case, we will end up looking like South Korea. Even better than South Korea. The idiots among us (you know who you are, Sally) will say, "What?!? We shut down the entire US for a disease that caused a few hundred deaths?!? That's crazy!!!" Those who have some intelligence will say "Phew!" and will thank whatever god they recognize that the US somehow pulled itself out of the muck to act decisively and on time.

2) Wait three months and then shut it down: In this case, we will be Italy. Millions will die. Many of them will die after being turned away from hospitals with no capacity to help them. They will go back to their homes after being turned away and their families will watch them slowly suffocate on their living room floors. Then their bodies will remain for days because nobody will be available to take them away with the proper respects.

Those are our options.

I would bet you a dollar that a medical stat person would find much wrong with your stats and conclusions and forecasts.

Agree, many paths are possible. Economically, most people are starting to see the risks. Fortunately, Pelosi has been down this road 12 years ago. USA has plenty of resources, we just may have to share some of them. You know, socialism.

Trump will screw up everything he can, but Pelosi isn’t scared of him, considers him a lame duck.

Armstronglivs wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

I think sally can’t tell viruses apart.

A virus is less than a single cell that exists only to plague complete organisms. Not to be confused with trump.

What about the Trumpavirus, reputedly fatal to intelligence - as its host demonstrates?

Aka the moronavirus... no cure