Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Yosinglerzy wrote:

Sad how some people treat Dem v Pubs like a sports competition.

It is sad.

And that is reflective on how many votes go in Congress.

So many votes are 100% one party voting for it and 100% of the other part voting against it.

There is virtually no reason to listen to the campaign policies of anyone running for Congress in the general election.

They will vote along with their party on every vote.

These days, you pick the party, not the person.

It sounds cynical, but I am waiting for someone to buck the trend.

Every Republican voted against the ACA just to say that it did not have bipartisan support.

Even though most of it was written from Republican solutions for healthcare and the public option was not on the final bill.

Not ONE Republican was allowed to participate in the crafting of the ACA. I will repeat - the Democrats crafting the bill did not allow a single Republican to participate. Why would any Republican support such a bill when they were completed shut out from its crafting? Why would Democrats not even attempt to have a bill in a bipartisan manner? Hillary and her failed health care bill did the same thing. No Republican was allowed to participate. The House witnesses in the Trump impeachment were 17-0 in favor of Democrats. It is not the Republicans who are not highly partisan. It is the Dems!

Sally Vix wrote:

Not ONE Republican was allowed to participate in the crafting of the ACA. I will repeat - the Democrats crafting the bill did not allow a single Republican to participate.

Not ONE DEMOCRAT was allowed to participate in the crafting of the TRUMP TAX CUT FOR THE RICH. I will repeat - the REPUBLICANS crafting the bill did not allow a single FDEMOCRAT to participate.

utterly false, of course. Which one 10 second google search would reveal to be false.

"Let's set the record straight. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (known as the HELP Committee), chaired first by Edward Kennedy and later by Christopher Dodd, held 14 bipartisan round-table meetings and 13 public hearings. Democrats on that committee accepted 160 Republican amendments to the bill. The Senate Finance Committee, chaired by Montana Democrat Max Baucus, was writing its own version of the ACA. It held 17 bipartisan round-table sessions, summit meetings and hearings with Republican senators."

I mean Sally really. Have some pride in yourself. Good people at least *try* to check their facts.

Sally also missed this:

The 1993 Republican Health Equity and Access Reform Today (HEART) Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'

agip wrote:

So it looks like this will be a three person race coming out of Super Tuesday...Bernie Joe Mike.

Everyone else will have to drop out, most likely. The 15% rule will push out Amy and Eliz and Pete. Although Pete could hang in for a while I suppose.

Bernie has the advantage of a split moderate vote. But Bernie depends on young voters, who don't tend to vote very much.

I wish it were one leftist vs one centrist - that would be a better primary.

But right now, as we speak, it's hard for me to see anyone but bernie being the nominee. Bernie will do better in CA and NY and probably Texas...hard to overcome all that, plus the advantage of a split vote.

I'm still in the "anything can happen" camp. I think Bernie, Elizabeth, Joe, Mike, Pete, and Amy all have a shot.

And I think there is a very good chance that Mike will bomb massively on Super Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get less than 5% of the vote.

At first Mike benefited from the "new guy" effect. He was a clean slate and people were tired of hearing from everyone else. But now people are starting to examine his record and there's a lot of bad stuff there.

Between now and Super Tuesday, Mike will need to come up with a compelling reason that he should be the next president. "I'm richer than Trump" is not going to cut it with Democrats. But if he performs well, he could get 30% of the vote. Anything can happen.

I stand corrected. I had always read otherwise, but thanks agip.

we're toast.

five more years of trump.

"only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist. "

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

utterly false, of course. Which one 10 second google search would reveal to be false.

"Let's set the record straight. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (known as the HELP Committee), chaired first by Edward Kennedy and later by Christopher Dodd, held 14 bipartisan round-table meetings and 13 public hearings. Democrats on that committee accepted 160 Republican amendments to the bill. The Senate Finance Committee, chaired by Montana Democrat Max Baucus, was writing its own version of the ACA. It held 17 bipartisan round-table sessions, summit meetings and hearings with Republican senators."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/01/set-health-record-straight-republicans-helped-craft-obamacare-ross-baker-column/523952001/

I stand corrected. I had always read otherwise, but thanks agip.

cheers, Sally

Which is why Trump and Republicans have been supporting a Bernie nomination. Trump polls +6% over a socialist. And loses by 5% to any Democrat candidate. Bernie claims to be a Democrat but Trump has already cast him as a socialist and Communist.

agip wrote:

we're toast.

five more years of trump.

"only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist. "

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

agip wrote:

I mean Sally really. Have some pride in yourself. Good people at least *try* to check their facts.

I enjoy this tread a lot more since I stopped reading Sally's posts. I also don't read any post where Sally appears in the thread.

Of course, everyone has the right to feed the trolls if they want. Just sharing my own experience.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

I mean Sally really. Have some pride in yourself. Good people at least *try* to check their facts.

I enjoy this tread a lot more since I stopped reading Sally's posts. I also don't read any post where Sally appears in the thread.

Of course, everyone has the right to feed the trolls if they want. Just sharing my own experience.

let's give sally some credit - he acknowledged his error and thanked me for pointing it out.

Good on him.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

I mean Sally really. Have some pride in yourself. Good people at least *try* to check their facts.

I enjoy this tread a lot more since I stopped reading Sally's posts. I also don't read any post where Sally appears in the thread.

Of course, everyone has the right to feed the trolls if they want. Just sharing my own experience.

No need to ANNOUNCE that you are avoiding my posts. Just ban me. Why do you have to announce it to everyone? You need to make some proclamation? Is that it? How is that Global Warming going for you?

agip wrote:

we're toast.

five more years of trump.

"only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist. "

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

So why do all the polls show Bernie beating Tiny?

Nobody knows what people are going to think in November. That's 10 lifetimes in politics.

Sally Vix wrote:

I stand corrected. I had always read otherwise, but thanks agip.

History has shown that you'll be corrected each of the many times you repeat this trope over the remainder of the campaign season.

and this is the problem with single issue voters. Sure, bernie would be toughest on the environment. If you base your entire vote on that, you vote for him. but that can put forward very weak candidates. better to sacrifice a bit on your favorite issue so a strong candidate is put forward.

Spotter of Trumpers wrote:

Which is why Trump and Republicans have been supporting a Bernie nomination.

Trump polls +6% over a socialist. And loses by 5% to any Democrat candidate. Bernie claims to be a Democrat but Trump has already cast him as a socialist and Communist.

agip wrote:

we're toast.

five more years of trump.

"only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist. "

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

agip wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I stand corrected. I had always read otherwise, but thanks agip.

cheers, Sally

She can be corrected on virtually every comment she makes here. She should be more grateful.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I enjoy this tread a lot more since I stopped reading Sally's posts. I also don't read any post where Sally appears in the thread.

Of course, everyone has the right to feed the trolls if they want. Just sharing my own experience.

Thanks, Agip. What fascinates me - and perhaps you can address this- is if Bernie Sanders can moderate his socialist views to appeal to the more moderate voters, i.e., mainstream America. He had never shown a propensity in the past but he never made it past the primary in the past. Do you, Agip, really think Bernie can tone down his far-left, and I mean REALLY far left views, to appeal to the more moderate Americans?

let's give sally some credit - he acknowledged his error and thanked me for pointing it out.

Good on him.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

we're toast.

five more years of trump.

"only 35 percent of Americans said they would even consider voting in a general election for a candidate who called himself or herself a “democratic socialist.” Forty-six percent said no, while another 18 percent said they weren’t sure. Among independents, those numbers were even less favorable to Sanders: 31 percent yes, 47 percent no and 22 percent not sure. Meanwhile, most Americans (52 percent) said only “some” or “a few” of their peers would consider voting for a democratic socialist. "

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

So why do all the polls show Bernie beating Tiny?

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because a large portion of americans don't know Bernie is a socialist. When they get that hammered into their skull by Rs, Bernie will lose millions of voters.