Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I'm all in on global warming and the fact that humans are the big cause and that we are on a path that we need to change. I am also aware of the stats you provide. I remain slightly skeptical about such a quick time period to see such massive damage, but just due to the fact that pollution is bad and we could ultimately end up there, I think it is good to do all we can to curb our appetite for fossil fuels and other pollutants.

Generally speaking, I don't subscribe to any doomsday theories, not in economics, and not as far as the environment goes. Recognition that there are problems and we need to change things, yes, but hitting a tipping point like that within 12 years...I'm not 100% on board with that.

In my lifetime, lead in gas and other products was a crisis and needed to be stopped. People pushed back on that for a while too. That was a real thing that needed to be remedied. Lake Erie once caught fire because it was so polluted. It is now crystal clear though overrun with zebra mussels.

It's not in my nature to go for "doomsday theories" either. I'm very much an optimist.

But I do know that science is science. I know enough physics to understand the power of nature and what happens when things are out of balance. Remember that what I've described is the scenario where we do nothing to fix it.

You see, some domosday theories are true.

Nuclear holocaust is another doomsday theory. It happens to be a theory that's true. At one time it was not clear if we could avoid it. But we don't worry about nuclear war that much any more because we had the political will to (mostly) solve the problem.

Because I'm an optimist, I subscribe to the idea that this stuff can be fixed. We have most of the technology we need already and we can invent the rest. The main stumbling block is the political will.

For our generation, the man-made threat is climate change. The actions we take now will determine if the human race continues to thrive.

Flagpole wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

It's not AOC. It's the climate scientists who devote their lives to studying this stuff.

The 12 years is how long we have to avoid 2C degrees of warming. That is seem as a tipping point.

If we just go along like we have with population growth, fossil fuels, expanded grazing, destruction of rain forests, etc., then we could hit 5C degrees warming by the end of the century. At that point, much more of the earth would be uninhabitable. We would see massive crop failures, war, and famine. And also we would see mass extinction on both land and sea. Forget eating much of anything from the ocean.

The climate of the US would be like Mexico and we would be as poor as Mexico because of our inability to grow enough food.

Of course, the refugee problem would be impossible to deal with as billions of people become desperate to find food and clean water (yes, climate change has great effect on fresh water supply).

I could go on but most of you are already refusing to let yourself believe the truth of what will happen if we don't change.

I'm all in on global warming and the fact that humans are the big cause and that we are on a path that we need to change. I am also aware of the stats you provide. I remain slightly skeptical about such a quick time period to see such massive damage, but just due to the fact that pollution is bad and we could ultimately end up there, I think it is good to do all we can to curb our appetite for fossil fuels and other pollutants.

Generally speaking, I don't subscribe to any doomsday theories, not in economics, and not as far as the environment goes. Recognition that there are problems and we need to change things, yes, but hitting a tipping point like that within 12 years...I'm not 100% on board with that.

In my lifetime, lead in gas and other products was a crisis and needed to be stopped. People pushed back on that for a while too. That was a real thing that needed to be remedied. Lake Erie once caught fire because it was so polluted. It is now crystal clear though overrun with zebra mussels.

Flagpole wrote:

Hmmmmmm wrote:

Ha Ha!

Can’t remember your salaries for various jobs, but somehow can remember the rent and car payment from 1989. lol

It doesn’t matter anyway. From your “resume” you’ve never held decent paying job. That’s a FACT. And living in Central Ohio may have meant your expenses were below average, but it also meant that your pay was well below average. Can’t have it both ways brother. 50% of 0 is...

You’ve divulged too much information on this board over the years. You can’t keep your stories straight and your previous posts come back to bite you.

Don’t stop though. I love it when you dig yourself in deep holes like this. It’s entertaining to see you squirm. And the next story is better than the last.

1) I didn't say I couldn't remember my salaries. I remember all of them. I said it would not benefit me to tell you as you clearly didn't know what kind of salaries the jobs in question made -- you've already shown that ignorance.

2) Of course I remember my rent and car payment from 1989...my first for both. Why wouldn't I remember those?

3) Dude, you are crazy. I was a technical writer in the late 90s, and technical writers then made decent money actually. Lots of demand due in part to Y2K. The company I worked for at the time hired technical writing contractors for $75 an hour. There are technical writer jobs in my Ohio city right now for up to over $100,000. I suppose perhaps that's not good enough for you, but as I have already shown, you only need to invest $15,000 a year from early on to end up a multi-millionaire. And, this is a job I left a long time ago. I was a manager of a group of writers after that for several years and left that job in July 2006 to strike out on my own. Professional managers have always made decent money, brother.

4) Finally, I have never said I make a ton of money. I have only said that I have become wealthy due to being frugal and engaging in solid uninterrupted investing for 30 years. I could retire today and take 4% of my investments and have a bigger salary than my wife and I both make today (yeah I know, my job at the Piggly Wiggly doesn't make that much, so that's not really saying anything).

5) I've already shown how you can easily become a multimillionaire on a modest income...live frugally and invest as much as you possibly can, especially early on. 7%, 8% 10% annual return will make you wealthy over time.

6) I have no stories that haven't been kept straight. There is nothing I have said in the past that has come back to bite me. What are you even talking about?

7) You just said I invested 50% of 0. Sure...that's the way to win a debate brother...suggest that I made ZERO (0). Why would I make $0? My wife and I went to college after all, brother. I worked 30 hours a week as a reporter for The Columbus Dispatch during my senior year of college and banked almost all of it. The Lovely Mrs. Flagpole married a hard worker with a bankroll.

8) Apparently you feel bad about not investing enough. Perhaps you SHOULD feel bad. I hope you are young enough to decide your way is faulty and that you have time to turn it around.

Jealousy will eat you alive, brother. Don't be jealous of me...just be inspired by me. It will turn your life around.

Fat hurts wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

It's not in my nature to go for "doomsday theories" either. I'm very much an optimist.

But I do know that science is science. I know enough physics to understand the power of nature and what happens when things are out of balance. Remember that what I've described is the scenario where we do nothing to fix it.

You see, some domosday theories are true.

Nuclear holocaust is another doomsday theory. It happens to be a theory that's true. At one time it was not clear if we could avoid it. But we don't worry about nuclear war that much any more because we had the political will to (mostly) solve the problem.

Because I'm an optimist, I subscribe to the idea that this stuff can be fixed. We have most of the technology we need already and we can invent the rest. The main stumbling block is the political will.

For our generation, the man-made threat is climate change. The actions we take now will determine if the human race continues to thrive.

One more point about the 12-year thing, Flagpole. It's not that in 12 years there will be Armageddon. The problem is that CO2 stays in the atmosphere. Every year we keep increasing CO2, we keep adding to the problem. We have 12 years to cut green house emissions to 45 percent below 2010 levels by 2030 and reach net zero by 2050.

If we can do that, we will be on track to keep warming under 2C degrees by 2100. That will keep the climate relatively stable.

If we fail, things get progressively worse. How much worse depends on how close we get to the goals. Every bit of CO2 counts. Every bit of warming counts.

If we do nothing, what I talked about (and more) are very likely to happen by 2100.

Flagpole wrote:

sh!ts and giggles wrote:

Your numbers are INCORRECT!

Ummm...how about No (4 columns below except for the first row that has only three columns:

Age/Total Amount/Amount Invested that year/Annual return (1.1 is 10%)

23 15000 1.1

24 16500 15,000.00 1.1

25 34650 15,000.00 1.1

26 54615 15,000.00 1.1

27 76576.5 15,000.00 1.1

28 100734.15 15,000.00 1.1

29 127307.565 15,000.00 1.1

30 156538.3215 15,000.00 1.1

31 188692.1537 15,000.00 1.1

32 224061.369 15,000.00 1.1

33 262967.5059 15,000.00 1.1

34 305764.2565 15,000.00 1.1

35 352840.6822 15,000.00 1.1

36 404624.7504 15,000.00 1.1

37 461587.2254 15,000.00 1.1

38 524245.948 15,000.00 1.1

39 593170.5427 15,000.00 1.1

40 668987.597 15,000.00 1.1

41 752386.3567 15,000.00 1.1

42 844124.9924 15,000.00 1.1

43 945037.4916 15,000.00 1.1

44 1056041.241 15,000.00 1.1

45 1178145.365 15,000.00 1.1

46 1312459.901 15,000.00 1.1

47 1460205.892 15,000.00 1.1

48 1622726.481 15,000.00 1.1

49 1801499.129 15,000.00 1.1

50 1998149.042 15,000.00 1.1

51 2214463.946 15,000.00 1.1

52 2452410.34 15,000.00 1.1

53 2714151.374 15,000.00 1.1

54 3002066.512 15,000.00 1.1

55 3318773.163 15,000.00 1.1

56 3667150.479 15,000.00 1.1

57 4050365.527 15,000.00 1.1

58 4471902.08 15,000.00 1.1

59 4935592.288 15,000.00 1.1

60 5445651.517 15,000.00 1.1

61 6006716.668 15,000.00 1.1

62 6623888.335 15,000.00 1.1

Just tells me that you don't invest or don't understand math or something.