Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

agip wrote:

and Igy...this isn't your home. This is a political message board. This is the place to yell and shout about politics.

I dont' lecture people in person about politics - this board is my release valve.

agip,

OK, understood and you are always welcome in my home.

Igy

Cheers, Igy

Runningart2004 wrote:

Pookie Washington wrote:

The Democratic party didn't leave the blue collar worker in the rearview mirror......technology left them in the rearview mirror. They days of a 10th grade dropout making $25-$30 hr are over. Those workers may need to retrain to get a good paying job. They need to stop blaming immigrants and realize times are changing. Miss me with that forgotten crap.

This. It’s not the 1950s anymore. It’s a global economy and technology is important. The forgotten man is unemployable.

Alan

the dems didn't leave the working man behind economically...they left middle america behind culturally. The coastal elites who run the country culturally have nothing to do with flyover country culturally. The gayness, the multi-culturalness, the praise of diversity, abortion, the very way people talk...these are the things that elected trump. Not policy. culture.

agip wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

It is a myth that there is "unwavering support" for Trump. His approval has fallen much recently, and you can find a ton of interviews out there of people who voted for Trump who now feel betrayed.

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yeah but you know and I know that the dems will make transgender bathrooms or something like that a key plank of their platform, and that will drive moderates to trump. The dems have a unique ability to shoot themselves in their feet on wedge issues. These Rs may 50% disapprove of trump, but they will still vote for him because they 100% disapprove of liberal crazy.

Democrats are definitely not immune to some craziness, but nothing they could do or will do in the near term compares to the chaos that is Trump.

agip wrote:

the dems didn't leave the working man behind economically...they left middle america behind culturally. The coastal elites who run the country culturally have nothing to do with flyover country culturally. The gayness, the multi-culturalness, the praise of diversity, abortion, the very way people talk...these are the things that elected trump. Not policy. culture.

I've thought about it and think this is mostly right.

Contrarian is likely correct. I long ago won the stock market debate and so I don't even post on that thread any more. Time will show that I am right about Trump also. Some people are just contrarian. I've known a couple, and Igy could certainly be one of those. Since I don't know him personally, I can't be certain that he is, but there is some evidence to support that.

FTR wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

INCORRECT! I have consistently ripped on Democrats when they deserve it and praised Republicans when they deserve it...as I spelled out in the post you conveniently removed that part from.

All Americans should be against Trump at this point. He's a serial liar and a criminal. Shame on you for defending him.

I have never defended Trump. The burden of proof is on you to prove I did. If you can’t, you are a liar.

You’re a liar as well as a partisan sheep.

What? Flagpole, a partisan sheep? Next you’ll tell us water is wet. lol

No...the Democratic Party still left them behind. They took them for granted and didn't give a damn enough to put into place retraining, etc., AND people like Bernie kept pushing free college. That hits the mark for people going to college but alienates those who don't plan to or aren't capable of going.

I agree that those workers shouldn't blame immigrants, but that doesn't mean the Democrats didn't drop the ball with them...because they did.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Pookie Washington wrote:

The Democratic party didn't leave the blue collar worker in the rearview mirror......technology left them in the rearview mirror. They days of a 10th grade dropout making $25-$30 hr are over. Those workers may need to retrain to get a good paying job. They need to stop blaming immigrants and realize times are changing. Miss me with that forgotten crap.

This. It’s not the 1950s anymore. It’s a global economy and technology is important. The forgotten man is unemployable.

Alan

You can't go talking about free college for everyone when that can't and won't apply to everyone and expect blue collar workers to be happy about that. Do that when the Democrat Party had traditionally been the torch bearer for working people, and it opens the door for a populist candidate like Trump even though he never had a day in his life when he was the voice for the working man/woman.

Ed Begley wrote:

FTR wrote:

I have never defended Trump. The burden of proof is on you to prove I did. If you can’t, you are a liar.

You’re a liar as well as a partisan sheep.

What? Flagpole, a partisan sheep? Next you’ll tell us water is wet. lol

Completely bogus. In the last couple of pages I've talked about how the Democrats let blue collar people down and blamed Bernie Sanders and those in the Democrat Party who talk of free college and said that was one of the reasons Trump won the election, even taking the blame off of "the establishment" and placing it firmly at the feet of the Democrat Party.

Anyone who thinks I am a partisan sheep doesn't read enough or carefully enough.

You guys are over thinking this Democrats not connecting with middle America thing.

They didn’t like Hillary. That’s all.

Bernie would have beaten Trump because he was not hated the way Hillary was.

It wasn’t about policies.

Yes, that is fair, generally. I think in most things answers are more complex. Say the stock market, you move money around for four years only to lose what you gained and more in the fifth year. Or, you vote for Trump thinking he will be better than Hillary and was wrong. On the other hand, the numbers of lives lost to mideast turmoil have dramaticallly declined since Trump was elected. What has greater weight on the scale of humanity? I see most of this as a distraction from real problems and perhaps contrived. Think about it, the military industrial complex has more to gain with the continued insane policies of an American empire. I am actuallly old enough to remember when the Democratic party was peace loving and seeking. In summary, I think stock market and political skepticism is not only healthy but necessary.

agip wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

This. It’s not the 1950s anymore. It’s a global economy and technology is important. The forgotten man is unemployable.

Alan

the dems didn't leave the working man behind economically...they left middle america behind culturally. The coastal elites who run the country culturally have nothing to do with flyover country culturally. The gayness, the multi-culturalness, the praise of diversity, abortion, the very way people talk...these are the things that elected trump. Not policy. culture.

Usually agree with you but I regard this narrative as BS.

Trump is the establishment. He was literally born into it and has spent his whole life mixing in elite circles - political, Hollywood, business, real estate and so on. At each turn shitting on the little guy.

He then appointed the wealthiest administration ever, even today Wilber Ross cannot understand why government employees are struggling and don't just get a loan. That's how out of touch they are.

Also the average Trump voter earns more than the average HC voter but still this false narrative prevails.

Basically an objection to gayness & diversity is bigotry, so yeah in that regards the language of the democrats left bigots behind.

L L wrote:

You guys are over thinking this Democrats not connecting with middle America thing.

They didn’t like Hillary. That’s all.

Bernie would have beaten Trump because he was not hated the way Hillary was.

It wasn’t about policies.

we'll never know. But an old Jewish actual socialist with a New York accent and not much appeal to black voters....not the best bet against perhaps the best campaigner we'll see in our lifetimes.

nah - listen to how trump talks and look at the people who go to his rallies. These people identify with the way trump talks and acts. Hamburgers in the WH, buckets of KFC, fat, multiple wives, talking badly, spelling worse, lying...a guy described it to me once - trump talking is like your crony at the coffee shop. He's totaly full of carp, but he's a character and he's one of us.

Sure, they admire the wealth and tv starness...but it's how trump skewers the elites that really turns them on. He's one of them. Ironically, the fact Trump was so crude infuriated trump - one of his biggest dissapointments is that Manhattan high society rejected him outright, for his lack of sophistication and crudeness. BUt that's what got him elected president. Or that's what won him the primary anyway. Listen to him talk.

Ok he talks very basically but he's still as entitled, smug and wealthy as they come.

He has nothing in common in the average coal workers in Kentucky, he has nothing in common men and women who served in Vietnam.

So what is that they like? It's the bigoted rhetoric and nonsense about taking "our" county back again. That is what they are drawn too.

What I want to know is, where the hell is Paul Ryan. What a crappy legacy he’s leaving for himself. Weak and feckless. He has the backbone of jellyfish. He can’t be both a Trump supporter and true Republican.

FECK!!

There will never be an end to the damage of the trumpers. Never. There aren't enough law enforcement people in the country to sort out the crimes. A poliitical appointee approved 30 security risks at the WH, incl obvious criminal kushner. Career security people said these 3o trumpers shouldn't get security passes. But Trump.

the damage they are doing to this country...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/officials-rejected-jared-kushner-top-secret-security-clearance-were-overruled-n962221

The truth hurts wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Since so much of the above can be viewed as left wing propaganda there is no sense arguing.

To reiterate - in your world anything that has a bearing on reality is left wing propaganda while fox news opinion pieces that rightfully cannot call themselves news or facts are the only source of factual information.

I'm waving to you from planet earth and reality while you're sailing off into the realms of lunacy.

The guy who gets his news from zerohedge can’t say much on the topic...

L L wrote:

You guys are over thinking this Democrats not connecting with middle America thing.

They didn’t like Hillary. That’s all.

Bernie would have beaten Trump because he was not hated the way Hillary was.

It wasn’t about policies.

That was part of it, but not all. If the Democrats had supported blue collar workers like they did in the 70s, a populist candidate like Trump would not have had a chance. Hillary was not likeable, and Trump's campaign cheated and was aided by Russia. It was also a change election. Not one thing was THE thing. All of it combined is what caused the worst President in the history of the US to win the election.

Also, a lot of people don't vote based on policies. Many (on both sides) vote based just on what candidates say, whether they FEEL like that person understands their plight. Bernie turned off a LOT of blue collar workers.