Someone is making money off it. Think about all the expensive equipment and personnel needed by the police to "fight crime". We have private prisons where we spend more per prisoner than we do to a kid in an inner public school. Let's not even touch the gun manufacturers who lobby against any effort to make it harder for criminals to acquire guns.
Gonna get my reparations
War on Ramadan wrote:
I am not claiming that the police have never done anything wrong, lol. What I am wondering (not claiming) is how much of the negative PERCEPTION of the police by blacks is driven by the media.
Are you claiming that the locals would prefer a gang presence over a police presence? Serious question.
Hey look:
15 people exonerated in Chicago because of police corruption. The police were acting as a gang:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/16/564706809/chicago-judge-throws-out-15-convictions-on-fears-police-reports-were-dishonestwhy Are the people in that community so violent and inclined to break laws?
the cost tho wrote:
how much does this all cost?
these are some of the most expensive people in our society. the burden is unreal.
paying for: housing, food, water, electricity, effectively block-by-block policing... *and they're the victims...?*
how ya taxes doin?
+heating (I'll never understand public housing in cold, northern areas)
+opportunity cost of real estate (without this kind of issue, the housing in the area and surrounding neighborhoods could be inhabited by normal, contributing members of society at affordable rental/price rates)
The liberals that support policies that lead us to south side of Chicago problems need to be reprimanded harshly.
DIVERSITY SUCKS.
Austin and Englewood wrote:
You live there? Or are you making judgements from afar?
At least most of the commenters have driven through and live or work nearby. That means that at a minimum at some level they have to deal with this mess.
Here are three questions for you and the rest of the alibi making left.
1) Why is the violence that plagues black ghettos in most large cities so much worse than it was from 60 to 150 years ago when blacks on average were much more poor?
2) Why is the murderous violence in Austin and Englewood today so much worse than in most other black neighborhoods in other cities?
3) Why shouldn't the most racist organization in American history - the Democrat Party - be held morally responsible for its historical oppression of black Americans and current destructive policies?
Notice how Viva went missing after this post. Telling, but yet, predictable.
One of the more amazing observations during Obama's administration, was the lack of TRULY using his platform to make a statement to the inner-city's that the killing must stop. Never once did Obama take a press conference and demand that the violent element of black America get itself under control. He could shake his finger and get a stern voice for seemingly everything else, however.
agip wrote:
I just 'drove' through that strip on Google Maps...always amazing to me what places called "america's worst slum' look like...in short, they look pretty much like middle class neighborhoods, with a few more empty lots and crappier retail.
it' basic america. I didn't see any boarded up buildings, rubble fields, fallin down structures, abandoned blocks...
I even drove up some side streets. They were usually leafy and green and decently tended to.
I understand the murder problem, but American urban poverty just isn't all that bad.
I suspect 90% of the murdered people are gang members....sad, but not tragic like an innocent losing her life.
Uhh, no. I did the same and there were several boarded up places and maybe even one drug deal happening when the google car went by. I'm not familiar with ghettos but this particular scene doesn't look like any middle class neighborhood I've been around.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8806762,-87.7305058,3a,90y,349.6h,100.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2yd6uuYz2xMM5cNDnIEHGg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656Chicago (and Illinois) are by any commercial definition bankrupt. And both will undergo bankruptcy, although states currently cannot enter bankruptcy (that will come in time).
The financial problems are so severe that they outweigh subjects such as racism - although I would concede that the vulnerable will suffer the most in Greek style financial Armageddon and the vulnerable class includes many lower income blacks.
The cause of this debacle is the kleptocratic political class, which has a symbiotic relationship with public sector unions. Yes, the Democratic machine is responsible for this mess but Republicans have done a poor job persuading to sensible financial management.
I am amazed by those back Home who paint my position as extremist. Do any search on the Internet - say - the Chicago police pension, which is funded at 20 percent and will run out of cash in 2020. And there is no money anywhere - the State is broker than broke, and if property taxes are raised to pay for the debt (and all of the other sick pensions) - property taxes being one of the few revenue sources not completely subject to liens by banks - the City and State will face out-migration much more severe than is occurring now. You can’t have any kind of middle class with property taxes at 10 percent of property value - this is already taking place in the southern suburbs.
Chicago would have suffered mass population loss in the last 25 years but for immigration (yes, some of it illegal). This population has high social costs - I get it - the price of being humane - but they drive lots of patronage jobs the City and State can no longer afford.
I expect to be the messenger which gets shot here - but the math - which is beyond horrible - won’t change without massive structural change to Government. And it should transcend politics - adults should live within their means.
Raised in Chicago area wrote:
Chicago (and Illinois) are by any commercial definition bankrupt. And both will undergo bankruptcy, although states currently cannot enter bankruptcy (that will come in time).
The financial problems are so severe that they outweigh subjects such as racism - although I would concede that the vulnerable will suffer the most in Greek style financial Armageddon and the vulnerable class includes many lower income blacks.
The cause of this debacle is the kleptocratic political class, which has a symbiotic relationship with public sector unions. Yes, the Democratic machine is responsible for this mess but Republicans have done a poor job persuading to sensible financial management.
I am amazed by those back Home who paint my position as extremist. Do any search on the Internet - say - the Chicago police pension, which is funded at 20 percent and will run out of cash in 2020. And there is no money anywhere - the State is broker than broke, and if property taxes are raised to pay for the debt (and all of the other sick pensions) - property taxes being one of the few revenue sources not completely subject to liens by banks - the City and State will face out-migration much more severe than is occurring now. You can’t have any kind of middle class with property taxes at 10 percent of property value - this is already taking place in the southern suburbs.
Chicago would have suffered mass population loss in the last 25 years but for immigration (yes, some of it illegal). This population has high social costs - I get it - the price of being humane - but they drive lots of patronage jobs the City and State can no longer afford.
I expect to be the messenger which gets shot here - but the math - which is beyond horrible - won’t change without massive structural change to Government. And it should transcend politics - adults should live within their means.
Great post.
John Utah wrote:
why Are the people in that community so violent and inclined to break laws?
The number of murders passed 600 last week, and those shot, over 2,500. And Chicago officials say "hey, at least we're not as bad as Baltimore."
PookieWashington wrote:
John Utah wrote:
why Are the people in that community so violent and inclined to break laws?
The number of murders passed 600 last week, and those shot, over 2,500. And Chicago officials say "hey, at least we're not as bad as Baltimore."
Dear Democratic. Mayor Rahm Emanuel:
I love what you've done with place. That rug really holds the whole room together.
Tyson Gay's daughter wrote:
Notice how Viva went missing after this post. Telling, but yet, predictable.
LOL. My thought exactly. He was utterly demolished by facts and people with real life experience. Just like all libs.
I literally can't understand what you're trying to say, but here's a hint on what the big issue is: why would anyone who's educated and makes money choose to live in a war zone??? Why doesn't anyone call it a failure of an entire race when you have meth and pill heads in Appalachia living without electricity sucking up government benefits? People get the hell out of high-poverty area swhen opportunities arise, which leaves these areas filled with the least productive members of society."blacks were not killing each other like this until about starting only about 50 to 60 years ago. It's now the third or fourth generation of your experiment, and it's failed." It's a well known fact that housing discrimination and housing laws have changed over the past 50-60 years and black people have the option to not live in these areas. As a result, these areas get worse and worse and all productive human capital drains away
Austin and Englewood wrote:
"You understand why things happen like they do?" I'll guess you never lived there and have no idea. By the tone of victimology that you use, you're part of the problem.
My parents lived above a business on that very stretch of Madison just before I was born. It was a nice place to live. The people in the apartment next door had five kids and my mother would baby sit them at times. Their family is still close friends to mine.
Madison was a thriving commercial strip. Many of the Madison Street businesses were owned by Jews. Benny Goodman and the world famous "Austin High gang" are some of those that came from this area right along Madison.
Our family moved to mid Austin to a bigger apartment, then several years later to a house a couple blocks away. Today the Chicago murder machine is in full flower through the streets of each of those homes.
Many of the businesses on Madison were torched during the riots in '68. The businesses didn't return. Those vacant lots today are the result.
Someone in the thread noticed that there were surprisingly nice homes on some of the side streets nearby. Exactly right. No homes north of Chicago Ave and few north of Lake street were burned. You can guess why.
The single family homes were well built and were popular with large families because of their size. There was, and is, a nice variety of apartments to rent mixed in. The Catholic elementary schools and the public high school were held in high regard in the city. It was a great place to raise a family.
What happened? What changed? No one has to tell you.
The housing stock didn't immediately change. The schools had the same buildings and teachers. Same corrupt cops. Same streets and alleys.
The people changed. The attitudes of the residents changed with the rapid swapping of mostly Irish, Italian and Polish Americans (99 percent white in 1960) to black Americans.
Right at the time the progressive political leaders began to shovel money to build their "Great Society."
It's culture. An ugly political system mixed corruption, race baiting, community organizing, welfare and the resulting irresponsibility to create a toxic stew of broken families, ignorance, crime and nihilism.
The lefties and Democrats can try to ignore this but they are almost as responsible as the gang banging jackasses who shoot one another. Ultimately, they're probably more responsible.
Deflect all you want ("hundreds of years, ya'll this/ judge that"), but blacks were not killing each other like this until about starting only about 50 to 60 years ago. It's now the third or fourth generation of your experiment, and it's failed.
But at least you people on the left can feel morally superior because people suffer, and you care.
The main issue is no father in the home. If you look at the stats almost all of the bad stuff correlates with coming from a broken family.
Western civilization takes for granted the large built-in advantage its history has given it. A Christian society (and the side-effects of the way of life of people whose Christian faith was at the center of their lives) caused the wonderful, safe, and dynamic yet stable society we know as "normal life" to exist. Only it's not normal, in our world it's the exception. The rest of the world with corrupt and dangerous societies are the norm.
If you think white people are immune from this, think again. The black community just has a head start.
The "cultural revolution" of the 60s (really with its roots far before that and its first major "official" manifestation in the October Revolution in Russia) has failed. You can put all the peace signs on crappy trinket tshirts you want, but a disintegrating society is what is left in the wake of our society's change of course.
There's no political solution to this, there must be a conversion of an entire society back to the Truth. there are plenty of political actions that act as detriments, however.
Austin and Englewood wrote:
Vivalarepublica wrote:
Not really, my point is if you want this cycle of poverty and violence to move in a different direction, it takes understanding with open eyes, ears, and minds, rather than a know-it-all attitude. That goes for everyone, including many of the commenters in this thread making judgements from afar or condemning by category.
You live there? Or are you making judgements from afar?
At least most of the commenters have driven through and live or work nearby. That means that at a minimum at some level they have to deal with this mess.
Here are three questions for you and the rest of the alibi making left.
1) Why is the violence that plagues black ghettos in most large cities so much worse than it was from 60 to 150 years ago when blacks on average were much more poor?
2) Why is the murderous violence in Austin and Englewood today so much worse than in most other black neighborhoods in other cities?
3) Why shouldn't the most racist organization in American history - the Democrat Party - be held morally responsible for its historical oppression of black Americans and current destructive policies?
I know you are so sure of all the facts and are full of fiery indignation and are completely certain that libs and Dems and blacks themselves are the problems, but you know, if I lived in that neighborhood and I were black and I heard you talking so self-righteously and arrogantly, I wouldn't do a thing you said, believe a word you spoke, or listen to anything you have to say. I just wouldn't. In fact, I'd probably do the opposite of anything you wanted me to do just to spite you and then laugh in your face. And if the only white people I saw all day long were either cops or drug fiends, I really wouldn't take you seriously. And if I met you in person and sized you up as someone who couldn't hang in my world for a day, I'd f* you up in a heartbeat.
It already has, including in SJW hipster enclaves of Logan Square, Wicker Park and Bucktown. Know someone who works in ER on weekends. Apparently there are multitudes of white "young bucks" who come in or are carried in by their friends into the ER after being beaten to a pulp, typically after midnight. "What happened to you?" "Just got into a fight outside a bar, that's all, no big deal". No police reports. What happens is that certain other Persons Of Diversity ride the Red Line from the south side and other areas described in this thread into the hipster bar areas for the purposes of beating and robbing these drunken gays every weekend night. The locals never want to make a police report and only reluctantly go into the real ER. Apparently there are doc-in-the boxes available to this particular clientele to try to keep the patching and stitch work on the down low. Finally a few admitted what happened, but they don''t want it to get out - "BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR COOL HIPSTER PROPERTY VALUES TO GO DOWN".
Good for them!
i drove through a ghetto to get to mexico
This what I'm talking about, from yesterday. More young hipsters in cool Chicago neighborhoods meeting persons of diversity.
http://abc7chicago.com/woman-sexually-assaulted-in-ukrainian-village-police-say/2723090/