Galen Rupp's Days as a 5000m Runner Are Over, 2017 Looks to Be His Last at 10,000m

Let's take a look at some of your ideas:

1) You can see through visual inspection (instead of using serum testosterone levels) that testosterone levels in men from the past are associated with sharper, more angular faces. Are there any science studies on that discovery?

2) More saturated fat, eggs, and bacon will help burn fat better and increase testosterone levels. This could then lead to better marathon times by Galen Rupp.

This sounds like:

https://philmaffetone.com/about/

Alberto Salazar has another way of increasing his low testosterone levels.

He has a prescription from a doctor to use Androgel. Alberto also did 'Possible Sabotage of Galen Rupp with Androgel' experiments on his two sons and measured their testosterone levels after applying Androgel to his 2 sons, and consulted with Dr. Jeffrey Brown in Texas on his experiments.

Alberto's two sons did not have a prescription for Androgel from a doctor. Androgel is a prescription drug and a class III controlled substance. Alberto Salazar broke various federal and state drug laws when he did his 'testosterone gel' experiments on his two sons.

https://www.drugs.com/pro/androgel.html

Alberto Salazar was also the coach of Mary Decker Slaney when her testosterone levels were above the 6:1 testosterone/epitestosterone limit in a urine doping test in1996, and Mary was banned. Alberto also did some urine testing with Victor Conte of BALCO in the past.

From Wiki:

In 1996, at the age of 37, as she qualified for the 5000 meters at the Atlanta Olympics, Decker became involved in controversy. A urine test taken in June at the Olympic Trials showed a testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio greater than the allowable maximum of six to one.[14] At the time of the positive test Decker was being coached by Alberto Salazar.[15]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/mo-farah/11694959/Alberto-Salazar-faces-fresh-doping-claims.html

Alberto Salazar does not use bacon and eggs to increase testosterone levels.

Slightly misconstrued my post, but amusingly delivered response. I like it.

rjm33, you have already provided the scientific proof that microdosing is not effective in distance runners. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3100466

jCo wrote:

rjm33, you have already provided the scientific proof that microdosing is not effective in distance runners.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3100466

Hey John Orange.

You are wrong again.

That study only shows that using a tiny 10 mg dose did not work in that one study published by Francesco Conconi in 1986. He was famous for using autologous blood transfusions, EPO, and anabolic steroids in many athletes. I used that study as an example that he was testing and publishing on using stanozolol (which is the same anabolic steroid that Ben Johnson was banned for using) on well-trained runners in 1986.

Who were the well-trained Italian runners he was giving stanozolol to in 1986?

Do you think that Francesco Conconi might have used more than 10 mg of stanozolol at other times?

Ridiculo.

rjm33 wrote:

Who were the well-trained Italian runners he was giving stanozolol to in 1986?

If the answer is Salvatore Antibo, please don't tell me. I can't have my love and naivete shattered twice in one day.

ryan foreman wrote:

What annoys me is how Rupp said he had "unfinished business" in the 5,000M leading up to the Olympic Trials. In hindsight it appears that was empty rhetoric. And yes, it is disappointing. He was capable of being a better 5,000m runner than his record will show. I don't think he would have had to sacrifice any of his performances in the 10000M or Marathon to achieve better finishes in the 5000M DL or to at least beat Ritz's 5000M PB.

Or he just tried and failed. It happens.

WaitingInTheWings wrote:

There is a strong possibility that Rupp will not finish in the top three in the 10k at USA's this year.

Just calling it from where I see it.

American distance running is about to change (reference Paul Chelimo's unheralded Rio 5k silver medal which Letsrun failed to see coming)

Shit is about to get real.

Enlighten us. Who's better?

It's 2016, not 1986 pops. These guys are all gonna run great into their mid/late 30s.

Goodkidmaadcity wrote:

Loper wrote:

I really hope you are joking. Rupp, Kipchoge and Kenenisa are 30, 32 and 34 respectively. Their best days as runners are behind them. They are all declining as I type.

It's 2016, not 1986 pops. These guys are all gonna run great into their mid/late 30s.

Son, you are an idiot. I suppose 50 is the new 30. Stupidity reigns supreme.

Loper wrote:

Goodkidmaadcity wrote:

It's 2016, not 1986 pops. These guys are all gonna run great into their mid/late 30s.

Son, you are an idiot. I suppose 50 is the new 30. Stupidity reigns supreme.

Wow. I've seen some scathing comebacks before, but that was a pretty sick burn. You totally dismantled his argument with a level of depth that I rarely see. Amazing.

Right on with this. Between micro dosing and springs in his shoes, he knows he can run with the best in the marathon. Look what the drugs/shoe combo did for him at the OT and Olympics. So sick of this cheating group.

an Italian-American wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

Who were the well-trained Italian runners he was giving stanozolol to in 1986?

If the answer is Salvatore Antibo, please don't tell me. I can't have my love and naivete shattered twice in one day.

I am sorry about that:

Renato says all the Italians stopped blood transfusions when they were banned in 1985 (but with no test for the detection of blood transfusions). Renato stated that Salvatore Antibo did blood transfusions, but stopped in 1985, and did better (Olympic 10k silver medal in 1988) without the transfusions, and used only altitude training.

The 1980's was a golden age for the Italian runners. Gelindo Bordin won the Olympic marathon in 1988 and Boston in 1990. Pizzolatto and Gianni Polli won the NYC marathon in the 1980's for Italy. John Treacy in the 1991 NYT article says that he heard of EPO use in track and running 2 to 3 years before 1991, which makes it the year 1988 or 1989 that he heard that some runners were using EPO.

"I began hearing about EPO two to three years ago through the grapevine in running circles," said John Treacy, a silver medalist in the 1984 Olympic marathon. "The story was there was this new drug that would take over from blood doping, and that it was much better."

EPO use was banned by the International Ski Federation in 1988, which is the same year Francesco Conconi published his study on serum EPO levels in XC skiers.

The IOC banned EPO in 1990. There was no test for EPO until 2000.

Renato has also stated that he believes Wang Junxia was just a great natural talent and was not doping, but maybe some of the other Chinese runners from 1993 were doping.

The 1984 Olympic 10K silver medalist was Marti Vainio. He was banned when he tested positive for the anabolic steroid metenolone, which may have been in his old stored blood that he transfused before the race. That was very bad luck for Marti Vainio.

Were autologous blood transfusions effective for the Italian Alberto Cova when he won the 1984 Olympic 10K gold medal?

Here is some of what Renato Canova had to say about autologous blood transfusions and Francesco Conconi in a 2011 RW article:

"We had the self-transfusion for somebody—for a period, for a period—because it was not out of the law. And also, like at the first finisher, the first way of [Lasse] Viren in 1970, using the self-transfusion, and at that time all the world looked at his [actions] as very advanced science. But not something like doping—[it] became doping only in 1985. It is like now using at sea level, the tent without air [hyperbaric chamber]…So now it is ridiculous to speak about this. But maybe in 10 years somebody says that this is not allowed. But in 2020 you cannot tell who was using this in 2000 and was doped.

“The problem is the mentality, no? In the historical moment it is very important to see what is doping, what is not doping, no? If you are allowed, you suppose it is about science. So we used it, but not all, because somebody refused in Italy. For example, Panetta, Stefano Mei, Bordin always refuse, every type of situation. But Cova, winning Olympics in 1984 and Antibo in 1984, they tried to do this…So, what happened after this? In ’85 was outlawed doping, and nobody used—finished…From ‘80-84, was the Italian Conconi, that won using this system. That was not doping at that time. But I want to tell, was that when Antibo finished using this, he improved a lot, for example…Cova finished his career, practically in ’86 because he had an injury. Maybe also losing some motivation because in ’82 he won European, in ’83 the World Championships, in ’84 won Olympics, in ’85 won both the European Cup 5 and 10. So after this, also his motivation was finished for Alberto Cova. But Antibo continued. For example, in 1988 he was 2nd in the Olympics.”

Renato Canova also told us that Alex Schwazer would show the world that he can WIN CLEAN.

Alex can return in the year 2024 to WIN CLEAN.

I don't think that there is anything here for you to worry about.

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OK?

Thanks for clearing that up for me. So long as Canova said that Antibo stopped when it became banned, then I can rest easy. Phwew!

On a side-note, the article on the Italian volleyball player calls her Viktoria Toth. I think Toth is Hungarian origin, and Viktoria with the k looks slavic to me. So Italians can rest easy -- she wasn't really Italian anyway.

rjm33, I would offer you $10,000 USD to take EPO and record your times and note your improvement for LRC.com.

Are you up for it and join your Flagstaff buddies that are also doping?

Take that same race but apply the same level of drug testing that Jared was subject too and honestly predict the finish order? Here is a hint it would be much higher than the 77th you imply he would finish (assuming a similar effort he produced for the Olympics).

Using that list as the baseline for performance expectations is about as honest as the high school xc runners that run a fast "5k" on a course that is clearly short, flat and easy with perfect weather and then say they would've won NXN with that effort if they just would have been "on" that day. And then go to a website like milesplit to prove it.

Come on Rojo we know your capable of better than analysis than this. Of course if you opened up the Olympic start line to all comers and offered huge prize money like you suggest it would change the race dramatically. But it would also impact all those other times you posted because those guys would have been peaking/prepping for the Olympic course rather than getting fast times in other races.

If your being honest, look at 23rd place on your list, that guy was 7th at the Olympics, Jared probably would finish around 20th to 30th place in this mythical race you propose with his Olympic effort, Galen probably around 6th to 10th. But this doesn't take into consideration increased drug controls on the b c and d list Kenyan athletes. So who knows where things would land.

As others have already pointed out only 2 of the 6 best runners that were picked by Ethiopia and Kenya beat Jared or Galen. Come on, give credit were credit is due the USA runners did awesome at the Olympics.

jCo wrote:

rjm33, I would offer you $10,000 USD to take EPO and record your times and note your improvement for LRC.com.

Are you up for it and join your Flagstaff buddies that are also doping?

If you're being serious, and also paying for the EPO, I'll do this as an experiment for the world. I could really, really use an extra $10,000 right now. You and rjm can supervise.

brain use in effect wrote:

Why shouldn't you be happy to be the best out of 300 million people?

Furthermore, if the world's population is about 7.4 billion, Ethiopia's is about 100 million, Kenya's is about 50 million, and Japan's is about 130 million, then you could roughly say that the top American is likely better than 7.1 billion people. How is that not an achievement?

Is your mentality that sad? You're measuring against and competing with millions and billions of people who aren't even trying to run fast. That is some serious delusion.

an Italian-American wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up for me. So long as Canova said that Antibo stopped when it became banned, then I can rest easy. Phwew!

LOL! Outstanding.

kdi wrote:

brain use in effect wrote:

Why shouldn't you be happy to be the best out of 300 million people?

Furthermore, if the world's population is about 7.4 billion, Ethiopia's is about 100 million, Kenya's is about 50 million, and Japan's is about 130 million, then you could roughly say that the top American is likely better than 7.1 billion people. How is that not an achievement?

Is your mentality that sad? You're measuring against and competing with millions and billions of people who aren't even trying to run fast. That is some serious delusion.

I find it funny that you cut out the first paragraph where I said that it was childish and poor argument pattern to resort to implied name-calling.

You may be able to use your argument (that not all of those people are trying to run fast) for the sprints, as that is inborn. But even people genetically pre-disposed to be great distance runners must train the distance. So, nowhere in the world is there a guy who could wake up and run sub-27 or sub-2:06 without training. The top guys that year are the top guys that year; anyone else with the talent to beat them will need to train into next year or more.