Penn St will make the college football playoff

Let's just hope Alabama, Clemson, & Washington all win out and stop presuming something nobody can possibly know - that the Big 14 is so much better than all the other conferences.

So Michigan gets credit because they lost to a "hot" team in Iowa on the road, two of three losses down the stretch? Who is hotter than USC or OU right now? Also, when Michigan beat Colorado, the only "top ten" team not in their conference, Colorado was unranked and they lost their starting QB in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a very tight game.

Perhaps wrote:

Let's just hope Alabama, Clemson, & Washington all win out and stop presuming something nobody can possibly know - that the Big 14 is so much better than all the other conferences.

So Michigan gets credit because they lost to a "hot" team in Iowa on the road, two of three losses down the stretch? Who is hotter than USC or OU right now? Also, when Michigan beat Colorado, the only "top ten" team not in their conference, Colorado was unranked and they lost their starting QB in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a very tight game.

Who cares what colorado was ranked at the time? They were obviously extremely underrated at that point, likely because they have not been good in some time.

-USC has 3 losses including a 50 pointer to bama so they are out.

-OU got blown out at home by OSU. Mich arguably got jobbed by the refs on the road against OSU.

Since it's a playoff, it makes sense to pick from the conference champions. A team that can't even win their conference is not deserving of vying for a national championship. PSU/Wisco>OhioSt/Michigan

starBOY1 wrote:

Since it's a playoff, it makes sense to pick from the conference champions. A team that can't even win their conference is not deserving of vying for a national championship. PSU/Wisco>OhioSt/Michigan

Stupid for so many reasons.

The conference championships are for figuring out who had the best year inside the conferences. The BCS is trying to figure out who had the best year over-all.

starBOY1 wrote:

Since it's a playoff, it makes sense to pick from the conference champions. A team that can't even win their conference is not deserving of vying for a national championship. PSU/Wisco>OhioSt/Michigan

So if Florida upsets Alabama you'd have no problem leaving Alabama out of the playoff and putting Florida in?

So it could be Florida, Virginia Tech, Penn State and Colorado. Makes sense.....

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Didn't see that it was already posted.

Reer wrote:

starBOY1 wrote:

Since it's a playoff, it makes sense to pick from the conference champions. A team that can't even win their conference is not deserving of vying for a national championship. PSU/Wisco>OhioSt/Michigan

So if Florida upsets Alabama you'd have no problem leaving Alabama out of the playoff and putting Florida in?

I would have no problem with that.

Perhaps wrote:

Who is hotter than USC or OU right now? Also, when Michigan beat Colorado, the only "top ten" team not in their conference, Colorado was unranked and they lost their starting QB in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a very tight game.

Penn State hasn't lost since 9/24, Wisconsin since 10/15, OSU since 10/22, and Michigan since uhh, last week.

So if you're looking for a "hot" Big Ten team, it's probably Penn State.

Miss Wumi Abdul wrote:

Perhaps wrote:

Who is hotter than USC or OU right now? Also, when Michigan beat Colorado, the only "top ten" team not in their conference, Colorado was unranked and they lost their starting QB in the middle of the 3rd quarter in a very tight game.

Penn State hasn't lost since 9/24, Wisconsin since 10/15, OSU since 10/22, and Michigan since uhh, last week.

So if you're looking for a "hot" Big Ten team, it's probably Penn State.

I don't actually disagree with this, but you neglected to mention that OU hasn't lost since 9/17 & USC since 9/23. I'm not arguing that a particular team should get in based on "momentum," though I think one could make a case for the Sooners. Teams are much different in November than they are in September.

I am simply saying that four of the top seven teams from one conference is a load of crap and this whole argument is based on this incestuous presumption, so we shouldn't even be having it. Frankly, OSU has looked like a pretty feeble team lately, with the exception of their win over a Nebraska team that isn't all that good and has no marquee wins.

Also, I don't care that Mich lost their QB late at Iowa (just like Colorado at Mich) or maybe should've beaten OSU. They lost two games late, and two of their three "top ten" wins are against their own conference, which dilutes their value.

Frankly, I think Clemson is the shakiest team of all, w/the weakest schedule, the worse loss at home, and many near misses. If they somehow lost to Va Tech, I could live with Wisco jumping into the top four, though I think OU has a better case with how they been playing and especially if they crush rival Okla St.

Again, if three of the top four win this week, I think you have to take the one loss or undefeated teams.

Perhaps wrote:

I am simply saying that four of the top seven teams from one conference is a load of crap and this whole argument is based on this incestuous presumption, so we shouldn't even be having it.

I don't disagree. In past years, the top was loaded with SEC teams. It seems the Big Ten is on an upswing -- better coaches and better recruiting, perhaps.

One last thing, and then we shall see what happens... OU is the only other team, besides Alabama, that doesn't have a conference loss. This wknd's game against #10 Okla St. is the conference championship. If they win that, they will remain undefeated in their conference. Can't say that for any of the other teams being promoted.

Those two out of conference losses for Oklahoma really hurt though. They would have been better off avoiding scheduling either Ohio st or Houston. They assumed they would win at least one. It basically says, hey we went unbeaten in our conference, yet lost our two toughest OOC match ups=our conference stinks. Technically Ohio st should get hosed the same way TCU did a couple years ago, IF the committee remains consistent and wants any true respectability. They said they valued conference championships and TCU did not win outright conf championship so their ranking dropped.

LOOK at Millzzz wrote:

Those two out of conference losses for Oklahoma really hurt though. They would have been better off avoiding scheduling either Ohio st or Houston. They assumed they would win at least one. It basically says, hey we went unbeaten in our conference, yet lost our two toughest OOC match ups=our conference stinks. Technically Ohio st should get hosed the same way TCU did a couple years ago, IF the committee remains consistent and wants any true respectability. They said they valued conference championships and TCU did not win outright conf championship so their ranking dropped.

Fair point, but teams are markedly different in late Nov/early Dec than early Sept. The real shame will be if the committee takes Mich, a team w/two conference losses and no conference championship by your logic.

Also, it's really hard to stay undefeated in any major conference, no matter how strong or weak. Thus far, only Alabama and OU have done it. I think that should count for something.

Anyway, gotta get stuff done. Thanks for the conversation guys.

LOOK at Millzzz wrote:

Technically Ohio st should get hosed the same way TCU did a couple years ago, IF the committee remains consistent and wants any true respectability. They said they valued conference championships and TCU did not win outright conf championship so their ranking dropped.

I don't understand why people can't grasp what the committee has stated regarding conference champions. It's not the be-all, end-all that some people make it out to be. It can be a factor, but it's not the most important factor. If a 9-3 Florida or a 9-3 VA Tech upset Alabama/Clemson in the SEC/ACC games, no reasonable person would suddenly conclude that either Florida or VA Tech are one of the four best teams. The committee would ignore the fact that they're conference champions. Alabama would still be in the playoff (not sure about Clemson).

IF there are mutliple teams that the committee feels are comparable, THEN the committee will consider conference championships as a tie-breaker. In 2014, OSU, TCU, and Baylor were all comparable. OSU won their conference in an extremely convincing fashion, so they got in. This year, OSU is not viewed as being comparable to Wisconsin, PSU, Colorado, or Oklahoma. They're a step ahead. To me it doesn't seem like there's much any of those teams could do this weekend in winning their games to suddenly bring them up to OSU's level (in the committee's eyes). Therefore, the fact that they might be a conference champion and OSU is not doesn't matter.

Certainly you can make the argument that the committee should weight the conf. champions more heavily, e.g. in the 8-team playoff scenario where all five power 5 champs get in + 3 at large, but that's just not the way it works today.

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Miss Wumi Abdul wrote:

I'd say Wisconsin and Penn State are screwed. No way they are going over Michigan with a victory, unless it's a total blowout. I'm disappointed. Michigan has lost 2 of its last 3. Not the way to end a season.

Didn't Penn St already beat OSU? And Wisconsin had OSU on the ropes? and OSU is ranked ahead of Michigan?

Too bad FB isn't like CC and it could all be settled with one quality event and the end of the season...ahhhh the beauty of CROSS!

If it was cross country Penn State wouldn't even be part of the discussion. They aren't even as good as the best high school teams.