I met a 2:18 marathoner this week, he said he does most of his mileage at 8:00 pace.. how?

Fred.

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They must be STOPPED…again.

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Thanks for that. Some serious mileage at near 8:00 pace.

Angry Willy wrote:

2:06 Japanese marathoner training.

https://psychopathrunning.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/japanese-marathon-training/

Cheers!

He a the workouts count, and he runs A LOT between them, but at a really easy pace so the workouts can be quality. Why is this so hard for people to get?

My conclusion is:

Ms. Paula Radcliffe is a Brit Doper-Cheater-Liarâ„¢.

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Man, that would funny to see the lady behind the counter's face @ the patents office when you propose "I'd like to trade mark Brit Doper Cheater Liar please"

Many Kenyans run really slowly some days, it is a matter of tolerating different speeds for a range of distances.

Have you come to a similar conclusion for her pace-boy? Or is it just that the high-altitude Flagstaff caffeine is super-potent?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

My conclusion is:

Ms. Paula Radcliffe is a Brit Doper-Cheater-Liarâ„¢.

Man, that would funny to see the lady behind the counter's face @ the patents office when you propose "I'd like to trade mark Brit Doper Cheater Liar please"[/quote]

Stqnfurd wrote:

He a the workouts count, and he runs A LOT between them, but at a really easy pace so the workouts can be quality. Why is this so hard for people to get?

It isn't if you are running 180 miles a week.

Why is it so hard for you to get.

Make running great again - no Maff.

Hey Maffturbators, of course if a guy Like Cam Levins was running 180 to 190 miles a week to win the NCAA, he going to run them slow.

Why you ask?

Why don't you run a 150 mile week and find out.

MAF is not easy! Unless you're unfit...

(1) According to the web page it is within 15 seconds per mile of marathon pace, let's say 95% MP approx. That's moderate/steady by all accounts, not easy.

(2) If you take the average person with a maximum heart rate of 220 - age, the 180 - age + 5 formula yields about 80-82% MHR. It is likely to be lower for older athletes, but people training with Phil get their MAF actually measured and it's typically 78-83% MHR. That's not easy! 60-75% MHR is typically felt as "easy".

(3) It is described as just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold.

Your Nose is Growing wrote:

I Was wrote:

I was a 2:17 guy. I ran most of my mileage at 8:00 pace. What's the big deal?

Pinnochio

Nope.

But you have identified yourself as a fool.

Congrats!

I'm a Doper wrote:

An honest question wrote:

Why are we capitalizing "doping" now?

Because that's the Big Thing.

Made me laugh way harder than it should have.

I were wrote:

I Was wrote:

I was a 2:17 guy. I ran most of my mileage at 8:00 pace. What's the big deal?

I was a 2:16 guy and ran 75% of my mileage at 9:00 pace. No sweat.

And I was a 2.10 guy and ran 80% of my mileage at 10 min pace.

loqueelvientoajuarez wrote:

MAF is not easy! Unless you're unfit...

(3) It is described as just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold.

So in your post you are saying that just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold is not easy?

Is that correct? This is your statement?

Where does Phil give a MP-15 sec for MAF? For me, using 180-age, it is 2.5 slower than MP, and that is using a +10 upgrade for being old. In my case about 68% of my actual MHR, which is very easy and slow and corresponds to all of the symptomatic descriptions he has for "very easy" running. Jogging, really. It made me go from 8:30 miles to 11:00 miles most days (MP=8:00). The upside is my mileage easily went from sustained 35 mpw to 50 very easily.

loqueelvientoajuarez wrote:

MAF is not easy! Unless you're unfit...

(1) According to the web page it is within 15 seconds per mile of marathon pace, let's say 95% MP approx. That's moderate/steady by all accounts, not easy.

I know a 2:15 guy who hits most easy miles at 6:10-20

It doesn't seem to matter

St. George Utah. You can do it too.

metemq wrote:

He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?

The only way to see what someone is really doing in training is to look at their log, and with new technology, Strava seems to be the best and easiest way to follow runners and see what they are doing. Follow a couple of 2:18-2:20 guys, I think you'll see their workouts vary, but that they all run a ton.

fred wrote:

loqueelvientoajuarez wrote:

MAF is not easy! Unless you're unfit...

(3) It is described as just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold.

So in your post you are saying that just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold is not easy?

Is that correct? This is your statement?

You know exactly what he means, once you come out of pedantic troll closet.

There are varying degrees of easy. Some people call them zone 1 & zone 2. Others call them recovery and easy, or recovery and aerobic.

MAF is just a marketing term. Discredit the man all you want, I personally think that he's misguided when it comes to athlete diets, and that he hasn't give enough credit to Lydiard or many other methods that he's repackaging. But the fact is that MAF is simply just zone 2. Don't let your emotions get in the way, that's what hobby joggers do.

So try to keep up, it's just a term. The correct answer is, "yes MAF aka zone 2 has benefits and is essential to high mileage, but the man Maffetone did not found this method". FFS, hobby joggers and their pedantic ways.

loqueelvientoajuarez wrote:

MAF is not easy! Unless you're unfit...

(1) According to the web page it is within 15 seconds per mile of marathon pace, let's say 95% MP approx. That's moderate/steady by all accounts, not easy.

(2) If you take the average person with a maximum heart rate of 220 - age, the 180 - age + 5 formula yields about 80-82% MHR. It is likely to be lower for older athletes, but people training with Phil get their MAF actually measured and it's typically 78-83% MHR. That's not easy! 60-75% MHR is typically felt as "easy".

(3) It is described as just below aerobic threshold/first ventilatory threshold.

This is exactly correct.

It's hilarious that so many people are thrown off by the term MAF! Just call it zone 2 (for the pedantic, generally the top end of zone 2) and go about your miserable days, LMAO.