Ray Treacy was thrilled with Huddle's debut - "We will be looking to go close to 2:20 in the next couple of races."

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  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 12:44pm CST
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    We caught up with Huddle's coach, Ray Treacy, after the race. Treacy was very satisfied with the way Molly Huddle closed her first marathon today and thinks a low 2:20s lies in her future.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAYb88cCqwA

    “It’s pretty exciting. I think she managed the race very well. I thought her last four miles were very impressive. That was encouraging to see that in her first marathon she could handle it as well as she did with the limited preparation that she had,†said Treacy who added that his pre-race advice to Huddle was not to run under 5:30 on any mile unless she absolutely had to stay with the leaders.

    When asked what type of time Huddle was capable of down the road on a fast course, Treacy responded:

    "I think that anyone that can run low 30 minutes for 10k should be looking at low 2:20. I’d be very disappointed if she couldn’t run in that range in the marathon especially after seeing how she handled the marathon today - that’s not a worry anymore.

    "We will be looking to go close to 2:20 in the next couple of races."
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 12:46pm CST
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    Oh yeah one more thing. Off camera, he told us he thought if he had Huddle run a 10k today instead of the marathon that she'd run 30:40.
  • minong
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    3 years ago 11/06/2016 12:58pm CST
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    Going from 2:28 to 2:20 would be a massive improvement. Especially for a runner this far along in her career. Not saying it can't be done. But Deena is the only one to come to mind that's pulled it off.
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 1:02pm CST
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    minong wrote:

    Going from 2:28 to 2:20 would be a massive improvement. Especially for a runner this far along in her career. Not saying it can't be done. But Deena is the only one to come to mind that's pulled it off.

    Why? You need to understand this was a tactical race on a windy day.

    Keitany has run 2:18:37 and yet she only ran 2:24 today.

    I think low 2:20s (222 ish) is certainly doable. A 2:20 would be like her 30;13 - near perfection.

    Anyway, Treacy had good reason to praise Huddle’s close. The stats actually reveal that no one in the women’s race was faster over the last 5.2 miles of the race.
  • minong
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    3 years ago 11/06/2016 1:15pm CST
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    LetsRun.com wrote:
    I think low 2:20s (222 ish) is certainly doable. A 2:20 would be like her 30;13 - near perfection.

    Of course it's doable, I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying the list of both men and women that we think are capable of a certain marathon time but never get there is much much longer than the list who have. Especially when you're talking about someone approaching 2:20.
  • Optimist
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 2:50pm CST
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    What kind of idiot are you? She ran a 2:28 in her debut, in a tactical race, on a windy day, in NYC--which does not produce fast times, if you haven't noticed.

    And as whichever inbred Johnson brother pointed out, she closed the last handful of miles faster than anyone woman out there today.

    Put her in London or Berlin with some pacers and I don't think it's unrealistic at all.
  • Dastardly Deed
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 3:49pm CST
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    How presumptuous of Ray to comment without first consulting the LRC Cognoscenti.
  • GoldenMiles
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 9:26pm CST
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    Optimist wrote:

    What kind of idiot are you? She ran a 2:28 in her debut, in a tactical race, on a windy day, in NYC--which does not produce fast times, if you haven't noticed.

    And as whichever inbred Johnson brother pointed out, she closed the last handful of miles faster than anyone woman out there today.

    Put her in London or Berlin with some pacers and I don't think it's unrealistic at all.

    Why are you calling minong an idiot?
  • The Overexplainer
    3 years ago 11/06/2016 10:15pm CST
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    What was Ingrid Kristiansen's WRs when she ran 2:21:06?

    14:58 (June '84) / 30:59 (July '85) / 2:24:26 (April '84 - personal best)

    14:37 (August '86) / 30:13 (July '86) / 2:21:06 (April '85) -- (the first two at age 30)

    She held all three WRs at once and she ran the 5k/10k BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER her 2:21:06 marathon WR.

    Incidentally, her debut was 2:38:45 in Sweden in '80. Her 3rd marathon was 2:30:08 in NYC in 1981 (at age 25).
  • Optimist
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 7:17am CST
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    Read the rest of the thread. Who is minong? Why should I care? The comments were idiotic.
  • Jack B
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 8:12am CST
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    Because it's silly to claim someone will become the greatest American female marathoner of all time off of a 2:28 debut. Keitany's 2:19 was 4 years ago and she was running 1:06 halfs around that time so she probably has already peaked. Yes her debut (also at NYC) was only 2:29 but she tried to hang with the leaders and faded. Laura Thweatt with way less credentials was only 10 seconds slower last year in her debut at NYC (2:28:23) and placed 7th. Just because it was a weak field and Huddle got on the podium the spin is she ran great because it was "tactical." And I get it at the Olympics and World championships but not sure what the point of a tactical NYC marathon really accomplishes. What was her response when Kipyego passed her - did she go with her or just let her pass. I agree she certainly has potential but I was expecting Huddle to be closer to 2:25.
  • UBU NOT ME
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 8:23am CST
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    Please list Coach Treacy's history with female marathoners. I only know of Kim Smith who has underachieved compared to her track times and Amy Cragg who ran better before running under Treacy and improved again after leaving him.
  • Old Man Runner
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 8:30am CST
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    Just looking at numbers objectively.

    Keitany ran 6 minutes slower yesterday in NYC than her London PB.
    Huddle ran 2:28 yesterday. If you give her 6 minutes on a faster course, she'd be at 2:22. Not too far out of the realm of possibility to say she could get 2:20.
  • Wonder
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 8:37am CST
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    Were the white Saucony Type A's?
  • minong
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    3 years ago 11/07/2016 9:34am CST
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    Optimist wrote:

    Read the rest of the thread. Who is minong? Why should I care? The comments were idiotic.

    Go to Vegas, tell them you want 2/1 odds that she breaks 2:20 within 3 years. They'll happily take your money. So would I.

    Man, if anyone wants to kill off Nate Silver have him read the threads around here. He'd have an aneurysm seeing the lack of understanding basic probability.

    And before you comment, read every word I've written in this thread. It'll save you from saying something really ignorant.
  • woofwoofmiaow
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 12:02pm CST
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    type a with fastwitch upper
    Wonder wrote:

    Were the white Saucony Type A's?
  • Optimist
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 12:21pm CST
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    "I don't think it's unrealistic at all"

    "Go to Vegas, tell them you want 2/1 odds that she breaks 2:20"

    And you're going to try to tell me about "basic probability." What kind of odds are you giving for whether or not you have rudimentary reading comprehension skills? Dear lord, you might be the biggest retard on these forums--and that's saying quite a bit.
  • ............lol
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 12:21pm CST
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    2:25? Her marathon yesterday was already worth 2:25 under good conditions(Not to mention the abbreviated training of less than two months).
    I would expect her to at least surpass Shalane's 2:21.
  • cerutty
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 12:23pm CST
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    How was this a tactical race? Keitany blew the doors off the barn. Huddle did not want to go deep and so she ran tactical. Not a bad choice in her first marathon. But after a 10k olympic build up and then a solid 11 weeks of training i would have thought 2.26. Nice effort but not a Salazar debut and she is just as accomplished.
  • George_213
    3 years ago 11/07/2016 12:23pm CST
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    Just wondering, doesn't Type A seem a bit too light for the marathon?