What type of coding should I learn?

Black Lives Matter wrote:

If I was in your shoes, I would focus more into becoming an expert in C# since you have experience with it. You should ALL aspects of that language. Be able to contribute to open source C# projects and be accepted, have high visibility and build reputation on sites like Stackoverflow, etc. There are still very lucrative c# opportunities available.

Thanks, appreciate the input. Github is another community I should participate in.

haha quit hijacking my thread "olderbutnotbetter"

Anyway back to my question - I actually have no experience but am curious about which route to try.

Dev guy wrote:

I also specialize on the Microsoft platform, but solely server side. No brutality at all on this end. .NET skills are in heavy demand, SQL Server keeps getting more popular, and there are all sorts of interesting cloud technologies just emerging. Machine learning, analytics, etc. Huge open fields.

? No to most of this.

There's no value as a Western worker being the point and click Microsoft admin because someone at 1/4 the wages halfway across the planet can point and click just as well as OP.

I'm not saying you aren't doing well. That's different. Timing is everything.

In terms of coding, a pgsql select is the same as a tsql select. If one can remain flexible, knowing one or two open source languages, it would be better. Because Microsoft will abandon their current code base. When they do, you want to show more than a dead product as coding experience.

except you're not responding to the OP. I am the OP.

I guess my main question is this:

Our city is so starved for developers yet I hear from people like you that they are "a dime a dozen" or "the writing is on the wall" with outsourcing.

Why all the conflicting information - it's so frustrating.

drcode wrote:

except you're not responding to the OP. I am the OP.

I guess my main question is this:

Our city is so starved for developers yet I hear from people like you that they are "a dime a dozen" or "the writing is on the wall" with outsourcing.

Why all the conflicting information - it's so frustrating.

People have been saying that since the 80's - as I said before the trend has peaked. Just shut up and code!

You also have to think about which areas of 'coding' actually have entry-level roles available. I wanted to be a C++ programmer and could never find a single job listing that didn't require many years of professional experience.

drcode wrote:

Our city is so starved for developers yet I hear from people like you that they are "a dime a dozen" or "the writing is on the wall" with outsourcing.

Why all the conflicting information - it's so frustrating.

Because they want you to work for nothing and their offshore dev shop turned out to be worth exactly what they paid. Or, they haven't figured out the h1b system yet.

I know it doesn't seem like it, but the Economics can help. Be a decent socially competent person on the tech side WITH solid tech skills. There's demand for that. AND that job doesn't go away in the U.S.

If you dress poorly with a poor service attitude at your job, then you'll be one of thousands of techs.

drcode wrote:

except you're not responding to the OP. I am the OP.

I guess my main question is this:

Our city is so starved for developers yet I hear from people like you that they are "a dime a dozen" or "the writing is on the wall" with outsourcing.

Why all the conflicting information - it's so frustrating.

1. pop_pop is a blowhard regardless of whatever he's trying to say (as is "coach d" when he eventually chimes in), the rest of the posts here are good

2. There is high demand for GOOD developers. ~90% of developers at big tech companies are H1B immigrants who cost a lot more to hire than a citizen.

3. Easy brain-dead jobs which may have existed in the 1990's may be gone but that hardly counts as programming in my book. A fraction of people without the brain/aptitude for coding may have made it through a CS major, or heard that programming was the hot new thing, then when they can't get a job they report that all the jobs are in India now...

4. No need to specialize in one language or area if you're brand new. Just start coding, there are free tools for about everything. You would be better off learning a wide range of languages. Definitely no need to pick based on a current business trend

Java EE2

Everytime I read one if your posts I want to leave this site. You have absolutely no clue what youre talking about. Youre a wannabe clown professing on a message board because that's the only place you can get people to read and listen. Because perhaps in real life youre unemployable and it's crystal clear to people like me why you are. You should be banned for being stupid.

Assembly

java or python

alpha hit wrote:

java or python

+1

mid distance guy wrote:

alpha hit wrote:

java or python

+1

Better yet, java or python combined with sql

With an econ background, data science might be a good fit and Python is quickly becoming the de-facto standard for data science. Python is also pretty popular for back-end web development and it's a good first language anyway, so I think it's a very safe bet.

Before investing in courses, check out free courses on Coursera. In particular, Andrew Ng's machine learning course is phenomenal if you really invest the time in it.

Final advice is that it's much easier to learn other languages once you've really mastered (or at least gotten very comfortable with) one language. The syntax changes, but with the exception of going from, e.g., object oriented to functional programming most of the concepts stay the same. Python is very beginner friendly and lets you focus on learning concepts without getting sidetracked by some of the annoying things of other languages, like getting your shit to compile. If you do go the Python route, download PyCharm - it will make your life much easier.

If you are looking at emerging cloud technologies, then automation at scale is going to be really important; the best route is Powershell. Google Cloud is developing a Powershell library, AWS has a Powershell library, VMware's PowerCLI is essentially Powershell. .Net is supported in Linux and thus Powershell can be used there as well.

Other automation modules to use with Powershell are Chocolatey, pSake, Pester, Jenkins, Carbon.

Powershell Studio can make it extremely easy for making GUI applications or interfaces using only powershell/.net

The correct answer: SQL (Microsoft BI Stack or Oracle)

Data will never go away. There is high demand for SQL programmers as well as DBA's if your not smart enough to be a programmer.

Don't let "No SQL" databases scare you away, it's a gimmick.

Good money and lots of opportunity.

You're welcome.

TheAnswerGuy wrote:

Data will never go away. There is high demand for SQL programmers as well as DBA's if your not smart enough to be a programmer.

As a data developer who works with lots of different DBAs, I just want to thank you for the laugh. Absolutely dead on.

And the funny part is, 75% of the DBAs claim that they "used to be developers." Right, you used to work a 40 hour job using your brain in fairly creative ways, and now you're doing backups and have to carry a pager on the weekends? Great upgrade!

Where do you live, where do you want to live? Look for development jobs in those areas and see what's popular. I was a c++ programmer but most of the c++ jobs were in NYC and scarce where I lived. It interesting how regions have different platforms, some are windows/c# and the financial world is linux/c++. As a web developer you will need to know a scripting language. Again check the job listings to see what's needed in the area you live or want to live.