Thinking straight up front end web dev becoming too outsourced.
What would be most in demand? I have 30k and 2 years to educate myself (currently work 15 hours a week)
I have a degree in economics - practical business experience as a manager and have a good grasp on English language as well so perhaps I could do well with web dev?
Thoughts from any currently in the industry?
What type of coding should I learn?
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Drcode wrote:
good grasp on English language as well
What does this have to do with anything? -
mediocresprinter wrote:
Drcode wrote:
good grasp on English language as well
What does this have to do with anything?
It means he's here to take our jerbs 😑 -
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All web development is becoming too outsourced. If it can be offshored, it will be. Think of a job that requires onsite support or face to face contact, like network infrastructure (installing and configuring servers, firewalls, routers, switches, etc). Network security consulting is a booming field. You could start with a CISSP certification, but you need experience to get a job in that field. If you really want to do development, I would focus on mobile apps. Most companies are interested in pushing their apps out to mobile platforms and many apps require some work onsite to integrate with existing applications.
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How good are you in math?
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If it's all becoming outsourced then how come it's the most in demand job in my city?? I've never gotten that.
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Machine learning. When all the jobs are getting automated you want to be the one writing the automation programs.
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You are bipolar and bipolar people can not code.
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You can be a network engineer, system admin, network security expert remotely too. Don't be scared of competition from offshore, if you are good at your job, you will find work.
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I'm curious if you get useful feedback on this thread.
My background is the Microsoft technology stack, and I made a very good income for 20 years, but the last 6 years have been brutal. Part of it due to false starts by Microsoft such as Silverlight, the Windows 8 platform, and the end of Windows Phone. MS has lost a generation of developers.
I'm middle aged now. Curious if I should go with Windows 10 UWP apps or Xamarin or go open source. -
I also specialize on the Microsoft platform, but solely server side. No brutality at all on this end. .NET skills are in heavy demand, SQL Server keeps getting more popular, and there are all sorts of interesting cloud technologies just emerging. Machine learning, analytics, etc. Huge open fields.
UI dev will be outsourced to the cheapest bidder; business logic almost never can be. So back away from the front end! -
I set a goal in 2010 to learn a programming language and chose R since I heard it was applicable in finance. I got pretty good at it after a few months and learned enough to build and monitor a simple portfolio. By 2012 I had built several algos and was earning good % returns on one of them. At the time it was still just a serious hobby of mine.
This year the new company I work for needed a risk management tool and I was in charge of shopping around. After doing some homework I realized many were built with R and they were not as complicated as I would have imagined. Fast forward a few months, I have successfully completed our firm's proprietary risk management application and it's running very smoothly. This has been the most exciting thing I've done in my carreer and I've accumulated so much expertise in R that I know of few people who can do some of the things I can.
My advice is only get into coding/programming if you are truly interested and be open to trying different languages. If you can make it a hobby you will learn it easily and you'll be surprised at the value it could bring down the road. Good luck -
I'm in iOS. If you start now you'll be working in Swift, which is close to front end dev syntax anyway. Android is Java, so that could also come in handy if Android goes anywhere. Both platforms will be around for a while though.
The outsourcing opinion is popular with sales and marketing people who don't know what they're talking about. The outsourcing experiment peaked about 10 years ago, but the quality is generally now recognized as too bad. So company trends are more focused on building culture, because that tends to be the backbone of determining whether developers will be doing a great job or not. -
RunForTheHills wrote:
installing and configuring servers, firewalls, routers, switches, etc
Sort of. Everything is virtual machines now. Actual hardware is going away, fast. So whatever amazon's pushing seems to be popular. There are a couple of other vm providers.
Firewalls and switches is 99% remote.
Here's how the CISSP thing works.. Consulting company xyz hangs a shingle out claiming they are infosec experts. When they get a fish on the hook, they hire from a temp agency. The CISSP is paid peanuts going from job-to-job running the same pen-test scripts. Consulting company makes a killing, no cissp certified employees needed. -
I am interested in analytics - I heard python is good for that. However I feel I'd have to blow a bunch of coin on a data analytics program to find out if I liked it whereas I can experiment with JavaScript/front end for free.
Also what about being a GIS developer? Making interactive maps sounds fun plus has a nice analytical component.
Dev guy wrote:
I also specialize on the Microsoft platform, but solely server side. No brutality at all on this end. .NET skills are in heavy demand, SQL Server keeps getting more popular, and there are all sorts of interesting cloud technologies just emerging. Machine learning, analytics, etc. Huge open fields.
UI dev will be outsourced to the cheapest bidder; business logic almost never can be. So back away from the front end! -
older but not better? wrote:
I'm curious if you get useful feedback on this thread.
My background is the Microsoft technology stack, and I made a very good income for 20 years, but the last 6 years have been brutal. Part of it due to false starts by Microsoft such as Silverlight, the Windows 8 platform, and the end of Windows Phone. MS has lost a generation of developers.
I'm middle aged now. Curious if I should go with Windows 10 UWP apps or Xamarin or go open source.
What programming language(s) are you an expert in? Be honest with yourself before calling yourself an expert in language 'x'. -
Black Lives Matter wrote:
older but not better? wrote:
I'm curious if you get useful feedback on this thread.
My background is the Microsoft technology stack, and I made a very good income for 20 years, but the last 6 years have been brutal. Part of it due to false starts by Microsoft such as Silverlight, the Windows 8 platform, and the end of Windows Phone. MS has lost a generation of developers.
I'm middle aged now. Curious if I should go with Windows 10 UWP apps or Xamarin or go open source.
What programming language(s) are you an expert in? Be honest with yourself before calling yourself an expert in language 'x'.
Ha, I did not call myself an expert but technology is a moving target is it not? I see myself as a method actor mastering any MS technology for the project I'm working on at the moment.
I suppose I'm an expert in C#, XAML, MVC/MVVM design patterns, and various flavors of the .Net framework. Hosted multiple applications on Azure. I use SQL server and T-SQL when active on a project but then go months without touching it. Know enough about WPF, WinForms, Asp.Net WebForms, and Asp.Net MVC to dive in and do projects there (even when coded in vb.net). I figure out html/javascript when needed. Frequently have done Pre-Emptive assembly obfuscation and installers using Installshield. I guess that's a start. I call myself highly competent. Perhaps I'm getting tired of learning the next greatest language or framework.
