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  • rjm33
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    4 years ago 10/31/2016 10:23am CDT
    re: DIII Has Been
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    DIII Has Been wrote:

    Since virtually every elite distance runner from 3000m to the Marathon can run a sub-4:00 mile, I would think they can run :48 to :47 flat out, and certainly could run a few :49's during an interval or repeat session. But I didn't read the question so I'm not 100% sure what he was really trying to say.


    What a great answer…to a question you did not read or understand…which makes it just like…all the other threads here.

    Everyone at this forum does 49 second 400m reps in training and can run faster than 46.7 flat out.
    That is why they can say that Diego Estrada (27:30 10K guy) needs to fix his running form.

    Then they can do extensive analysis of the strange and mysterious rear foot angle of Kenenisa Bekele…which is the 'secret' to running a 2:03:03 marathon, with an average pace just under 70.0 seconds... for every 400m of the marathon.

    You can expect to see many 2:03 marathons run by the people at this LRC forum in 2017.

    It will be a complete destruction of the all-time lists by the LRC forum.
  • Goooo Afrika
    4 years ago 10/31/2016 3:27pm CDT
    re: BK fan
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    BK fan wrote:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/21/mo-farah-family-first-decision-tokyo-2020-games

    “I shouldn’t give away my tactics but I run 49 sec for 400m in training. That is the type of training I have to do to be the best in the world. Everything I do is practised in training. That is the reality. There is no other way to win."

    Does that he mean an open time trial or a hard 400m after workout?


    It means a SHIT LOAD OF DRUGS.
  • Arrow Head
    4 years ago 10/31/2016 3:56pm CDT
    re: DIII Has Been
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    DIII Has Been wrote:

    Since virtually every elite distance runner from 3000m to the Marathon can run a sub-4:00 mile, I would think they can run :48 to :47 flat out, and certainly could run a few :49's during an interval or repeat session.

    I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic?

    I doubt the vast majority of elite 5 or 10k runners can run a flat out 400m from a stationary start in under 49. Someone like Farah, whose best distance is probably 3000m, could probably run 49 flat, but then he's a sub 3:30 1500 guy.

    Likewise, there will be very few elite milers (3:35 1500 men or faster) that could break 48.0 for 400m in a rested race, unless they are 800/1500 types like Makhloufi, Souleiman or Kiprop.

    To run a 47 they would need to be elite 800 guys.
  • calculo
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    4 years ago 11/02/2016 2:00pm CDT
    re: The Overexplainer
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    The Overexplainer wrote:So he says he runs "49 sec for 400m in training" now and you doubt that he can do it, now, saying he likely can only run 50-low?

    Does your arrogance know no bounds?

    learn to think

    it is question of career peak shape upto end-'16

    i have no doubt mo's career peak was '15 when his 3'28.9 wouda been 3'27-flat if he'd been drafted to bell by a 2nd set of pacers

    in that form his 400 shape was likely 49-low/mid

    this year he was past his peak from my observation, probably due to the hammering his body took in training & running in that epic cardiff 1/2M

    IMO it killed of his speed for the year, but slowing down to 50-low/mid was still as quick or quicker than anyone in the 10k or 5k fields in the shape they turned up in & combined with his tactical experience he got the 2 golds

    certainly, mo was no way as good in rio as he was in peking in terms of raw 400 speed
  • calculo
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    4 years ago 11/02/2016 2:52pm CDT
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    rjm33 wrote:Centro has run a 50.62 last lap to win the gold medal at the Olympics. Centro was also ahead of Mo in some track workouts on the NAU track in Flagstaff

    read again

    i said i reckon mo was only in 50-low/mid shape in rio

    his 49-low/mid speed was at his career peak last year

    centro probably has 47-flat/low speed but i haven't looked all that closely at his likely 400/800/1500 line-of-fit, but certainly well below 48

    of course it woud be expected for a 47+ guy to beat a 50+ or even a 49+ guy in speed workouts especially if 47+ guy has the biggest gold of all

    Mo ran a 50.89 last lap against weak competition in a winning time of 14:10. Go Mobot

    so ?

    he still ran nearly as fast as centro's fastest ever last lap in a meet

    How about a sub 51.94 last 400m against really strong competition in a winning time of 12:59?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rHmSKqs2w

    Go…..???

    this has been analysed before

    ( i even saw that meet from the main stands

    the dirty little !"* kennster pushed him out into lane 3 to stop bernie winning !!! )

    Bernie that day was probably in

    ~ 48.75 / 1'44.50 ->

    3'27.84
    7'21.93
    12'48.79

    he was nowhere close to 5k WR shape, but close to 3k one & some way off his '04 shape where his 3'27.4 win in zurich was probably worth 3'26-mid in ideal race of even-pace/drafting/etc

    Bernie had lost huge amount of speed from '01 or '04 peak, probably '01 was peak when he looked to have 3'25-high in 3'26-low pb in ideal race, considering 53+ finish, but hicham still quicker that day

    Bernie had much quicker 400/800 speed than hicham in '01 but hicham got the 1500 superiority by bringing probably ~ 7'20 endurance to table

    ( his 7'23pb was rubbish circumstances

    terrible pace & hicham was "shooing" on pacer after a few laps

    pacer then sped off on a ridiculous next lap which left hicham in a vacuum

    ideal run that day, paced evenly to 2k, he wouda gone ~ 7'20 )

    Bernie never had better than ~ 7'28 - 7'30 endurance back then ( '99 - '01 )

    ( got crushed in his then 7'30+++pb in monaco where saidi-sief ran 7'25-flat off jog to 2k & still jog to bell but put in a ~ 54+ finish which destroyed Bernie into very high final finish position )

    Bernie in his 3'26+PB probably had line of fit of

    46.75 / 1'42.00 ->

    2'10.92
    3'25.70

    or

    46.50 / 1'41.75 ->

    2'10.71
    3'25.66

    or

    46.25 / 1'41.25 ->

    2'10.50
    3'25.62

    we won't know which of above 3 is closest until he publishes a book

    Bernie lost helluva lot of 400 speed from '01 - '06 with equally impressive loss of likely 800 speed as well :

    well over 2s for 400, but that is process of ageing & elastic leaching away from legs
  • calculo
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    4 years ago 11/02/2016 3:34pm CDT
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    Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Whilst I disagree with some of your extrapolations, Ian Stewart has said he has seen Mo do 1:45 for 800m, probably hand timed though.

    thank you

    then take mo's predictions for 3k & 5k more seriously

    as for HT, it is only supposed to be 0.14s error v auto-timing in most cases at 400mor longer

    ( but history shows some serious discrepancies :

    go download latest iaaf WR progression pdf here :

    https://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/publications

    - look up rono's various clockings for 13'06.20

    - ron's 27'39.4

    - ruskei gal's 1'54.9 )

    but i doubt mo ran that 1'45 with any drafting or a solid few days rest & off ideal ~ 51.5 / 53.5 splits

    any to any yahoo who thinks a distance runner with 49+ speed shoud run ideal 1'45.0 off 52.5 / 52.5, the logical question is, what do you expect them to run off :

    - 52.0 opener ?

    - 51.5 opener ??

    ( if you want a ballpark estimate, try formula to knock off any 800 clocking for "ideal" time

    ~ modulus of

    ( 2nd lap - 1st lap - 2 ) * (1/3)

    )

    do you expect them to collapse on 2nd lap because just 0.5 to 1.0s quicker on 1st lap but still far from 49+ pb ?!

    is there a "law of nature" stating that there is no theoretical time possible for an "anointed" "middle distance runner" to be able to run a 800 off 2s +ve splits like "elite" 800 guys are expected to do so in 1-off TT on circuit ???
  • Subway Surfers Addiction
    4 years ago 11/02/2016 11:24pm CDT
    re: calculo
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    Cram generally ran the 2nd lap quicker then the first lap.
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