Blah Blah. wrote:
Obamacare has done the seemingly impossible:
It has made health insurance more expensive, it has reduced choice, it has reduced quality of care, it has increased bureaucracy, and insurance companies are losing money. No one benefits!
That was basically the plan.
Highway star..... wrote:
You do realize your crooked insurance company just used ACA as an excuse to gouge you and your employer, don't you?
this.
OP, I hope you are just a trump robot and not a real person with thinking capabilities.
Fat cats are fatter. The poor Dem party base gets a bone (free or highly subsidized care).
Regular folk pay for it. As usual.
Now do you get why people are voting Trump? Its not Trump per se, its to poke a stick in the eye of the oligarchy that is running roughshod over you and me.
WAKE UP!
Everyone needs to just dump their healthcare insurance, pay the penalty, and pay for services as needed. That would essentially create a free market where we could control the rates. I walk into whatever hospital I want and can see whatever specialist I want. I pay using with my credit card and get airline points. This is all really simple.
Why would you spend more for insurance that you never use than you would your mortgage payment?
Wtf, how is this possible guys? I pay 110 per month and get very good healthcare in the Netherlands.
idnfsdl wrote:
Fat cats are fatter. The poor Dem party base gets a bone (free or highly subsidized care).
Regular folk pay for it. As usual.
Now do you get why people are voting Trump? Its not Trump per se, its to poke a stick in the eye of the oligarchy that is running roughshod over you and me.
WAKE UP!
I'm wide awake. You'll feel great about poking the oligarchy in the eye, until Trump actually becomes president. You'll realize how good you had it now, and how bad things can actually get.
somebloke wrote:
Highway star..... wrote:You do realize your crooked insurance company just used ACA as an excuse to gouge you and your employer, don't you?
this.
OP, I hope you are just a trump robot and not a real person with thinking capabilities.
I work in finance for a large insurer that is on the exchanges in some states. I guess that 8 figure check we had to rebate back to the govt. for our risk adjustment wasn't real. You're right, we are just making things up.
LottoJumbo wrote:
Wtf, how is this possible guys? I pay 110 per month and get very good healthcare in the Netherlands.
And what is your overall tax rate?
Seikosha wrote:
somebloke wrote:this.
OP, I hope you are just a trump robot and not a real person with thinking capabilities.
I work in finance for a large insurer that is on the exchanges in some states. I guess that 8 figure check we had to rebate back to the govt. for our risk adjustment wasn't real. You're right, we are just making things up.
People that don't understand the system just want to blame the insurance companies. Why not place some blame on the large hospital owners or large national provider networks that control much of the cost of healthcare.
My biggest gripe with insurance involvement is price transparency. It is almost impossible to get a price of a procedure beforehand because of providers claim they don't know how much the insurance will pay and insurance does not know what providers will charge for whatever service they provide. This
situation makes it very hard on consumers to be 'smart shoppers' when it comes to healthcare costs.
Complainers complaining wrote:
Why would you spend more for insurance that you never use than you would your mortgage payment?
Cancer.
You must not have kids.
I'm willing to wager you've never stayed up in a hospital holding your 5 year old dying of leukemia. Then after months of pain and burying someone you love more than yourself, the bills roll in and steal every asset you have when the insurance company decided to cut off coverage.
My mom lived this and she never recovered. We lost everything and I would do it again to spend one more day with my brother.
Nobody plans to get sick. The people you love are worth more than a mortgage payment.
Cancer steals lives wrote:
Complainers complaining wrote:Why would you spend more for insurance that you never use than you would your mortgage payment?
Cancer.
We lost everything and I would do it again to spend one more day with my brother.
The people you love are worth more than a mortgage payment.
If this is true, then why are people complaining about healthcare costs? Either it's too expensive to save the ones you love or it isn't. Pay or don't pay, either way, people need to shut up about it.
dasd wrote:
idnfsdl wrote:Fat cats are fatter. The poor Dem party base gets a bone (free or highly subsidized care).
Regular folk pay for it. As usual.
Now do you get why people are voting Trump? Its not Trump per se, its to poke a stick in the eye of the oligarchy that is running roughshod over you and me.
WAKE UP!
I'm wide awake. You'll feel great about poking the oligarchy in the eye, until Trump actually becomes president. You'll realize how good you had it now, and how bad things can actually get.
Maybe..maybe not, you're just speculating. Even if you're right, like an addict, we might need to hit rock bottom before things improve.
About 40%, and yours?
And i forgot to mention, the government gives me a refund of about 83 each month.
Complainers complaining wrote:
Cancer steals lives wrote:Cancer.
We lost everything and I would do it again to spend one more day with my brother.
The people you love are worth more than a mortgage payment.
If this is true, then why are people complaining about healthcare costs? Either it's too expensive to save the ones you love or it isn't. Pay or don't pay, either way, people need to shut up about it.
I hate when people play stupid just to instigate an argument.
Insurance is great WHEN YOU NEED IT
Paying for insurance sucks when you are not using it. The higher the premium the more it sucks.
Blah Blah. wrote:
Obamacare has done the seemingly impossible:
It has made health insurance more expensive, it has reduced choice, it has reduced quality of care, it has increased bureaucracy, and insurance companies are losing money. No one benefits!
are people dumb enough to actually believe this? This was happening well before ACA.
It's very complicated but people are generally unhealthier, fatter today. People want a magic pill to cure them and all the "best healthcare tech" has a cost.
But blame it on the black man...
playing dumb wrote:
Complainers complaining wrote:If this is true, then why are people complaining about healthcare costs? Either it's too expensive to save the ones you love or it isn't. Pay or don't pay, either way, people need to shut up about it.
I hate when people play stupid just to instigate an argument.
Insurance is great WHEN YOU NEED IT
Paying for insurance sucks when you are not using it. The higher the premium the more it sucks.
Why not open an investment count instead of buying health insurance then? Why make some company rich off of your potential misfortune when you can save up as a young person and cash out as needed? Everyone knows that insurance is a scam, yet everyone buys into it. There are almost infinitely many ways to better fund unexpected life costs. It's not my fault that people bitch about a system they're to dumb to navigate.
idnfsdl wrote:
dasd wrote:I'm wide awake. You'll feel great about poking the oligarchy in the eye, until Trump actually becomes president. You'll realize how good you had it now, and how bad things can actually get.
Maybe..maybe not, you're just speculating. Even if you're right, like an addict, we might need to hit rock bottom before things improve.
Let's see: You take an ignoramus who knows nothing about policy issues or foreign affairs, someone who has spent his entire career selling himself to the highest bidder, and stick him in the White House and expect great results--well, I guess I'm speculating. But I'm very confident in those specualtions. Bigly.
And no, vague platitudes about how we need to hit rock bottom before things improve are nonsense. This is not a matter of speculation. Don't be distracted by the noise. All indicators suggest that things are way better than 2008. And as bad as 2008 was, that wasn't even the bottom.
[quote]Repeal Obamacare now wrote:
I asked my hr company about the jump. Cigna told them it was because of the ACA, aka Obamacare.
CIGNA blamed their massive premium increase on ACA....this does not mean that's the case.
Need to kick the insurers out of the basic health care business.
They've been robbing us blind for decades.
So why are most insurance carriers pulling out of exchanges if they are making so much money? You guys need to wake up. When has the government ever done anything better than the private market? You think the DMV is efficient?