Who would win the 1500 if all rounds were on the same day like in nordic skiing?

I understand that nordic ski sprints are not normal sprints. If nordic skiing had actual sprints like the 100m, I can personally guarantee you that that not a single person currently racing on the world cup would win. Some fat norwegian who is currently a professional rollerskier or Lebron James would. I just thought that skiing sprints provided a good example of how more aerobically fit athletes get stronger throughout the rounds when they are held on the same day. That is why people like Andy Newell can win a qualifier, but sometimes get lit up by distance skiers like Sundby who possess FAR less speed later in the rounds.

I agree with you that Northug is similar to Farah, and he is certainly an excellent tactician. Calling him a "sprinter" is an oversimplification. Everyone overstates Northug's top end speed. Skiers like Brandsdal and Krogh and Kriukov 100% can sprint faster than Northug- Plenty of people on the world cup are more technically sound and can max out at a higher top end speed than Northug. Instead, he is one of the only skiers able to do a high change of pace at the end of distance races due to his excellent combination of aerobic and anaerobic fitness. He didn't mow people down over the final 3 minutes of the 50k because he was "good at sprinting." He did so because he can handle enormous anaerobic loads and his fit enough to be there at the end of the race.

Anyways, that's why I brought up Farah. He is an example of an athlete who is extremely aerobically fit, but can also handle extreme anaerobic loads and close hard at the end of races. I think the rounds format would burn off some of the more 800-1500m type runners and favor Farah/2013 Rupp types.

And to be fair, Northug has still won many individual start races, including a gold in Val di Fiemme. I agree he's no Sundby when it comes to pure distance skiing ability, but he wouldn't be able to do something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8cgS02lggs

if he was just a tactician.

Also, he won the sprint in Falun off of the front. And you are not the Minnesota Goat. The Goat is at a USST camp right now, and she is almost illiterate.

Either Makh or Willis.

FYI:

Petter northug has won 15k individual starts at world champs. Dude has some fitness.

The reason he sit and kicks is the same reason mo does. It's his best chance to win.

gasdfs wrote:

LennyZ wrote:

Doubt it would change much. The rounds would just become more sit and kick races where guys tried to save energy as much as possible.

Nordic skiing is more like cycling than running. Drafting in a Nordic sprint is a huge effect at those speeds. Nothug is a sit and kicker. He would sit at the back of the pack throughout each heat and final, and sprint by everyone to the line. He did the same thing for his 50k win. Drafting makes this possible. Northug struggles in an honestly paced hilly distance race.

But they can't really get as close to each other as cyclists. Are you speaking from experience?

It's not just about the wind, it's also about the tracks -- the friction from the skis make the snow a little more smooth for the next skier in line.

You guys forgot to mention the Algerian warrior Makhloufi who ran round after round with days of rest in the 800/1500. Incredibly fit and after running that insane 800 in a workout i'm sure he can cope with 3 hour recovery. Easily Makhloufi.

It would probably end up with the athletes hooked up to nebulizers in between races. Just like in Norway skiing now.http://www.budstikka.no/sindre-bjornestad-skar/langrenn/sport/landslagsloper-i-langrenn-har-ikke-opplevd-noe-av-det-som-har-kommet-frem/s/5-55-359401

I forbindelse med sprint blir lungene veldig såre. Man går alt man kan i tre minutter i 10 minusgrader. Da puster man inn så mye kald luft at den neste halvtimen høres det ut som man har kols. De fleste bruker saltvannsoppløsning og slimoppløsende midler. Det er ikke noe som står på noen lister. Det er som nesespray, men for lungene. Man bruker apparat og det kan forveksles med at alle sitter der med astmamedisin. Hvis 15 løpere sitter med sitter med apparat så er det kanskje tre med astmamedisin, sier 24-åringen.

Fortunately the Norway team bus can amply service the 15 simultaneous nebulizer users.

LennyZ wrote:

Doubt it would change much. The rounds would just become more sit and kick races where guys tried to save energy as much as possible.

Nordic skiing is more like cycling than running. Drafting in a Nordic sprint is a huge effect at those speeds. Nothug is a sit and kicker. He would sit at the back of the pack throughout each heat and final, and sprint by everyone to the line. He did the same thing for his 50k win. Drafting makes this possible. Northug struggles in an honestly paced hilly distance race.

Yes, that's why they are taking drugs to make their fibers hybrid.

Chop off both ends and move to hybrid fibers.

"While several pharmacokinetic studies have made it possible to establish urinary thresholds and decision limits for salbutamol and formoterol (Sporer et al., 2008; Elers et al., 2012a,b; Hostrup et al., 2014a; Haase et al., 2015), no urine threshold or decision limit exists for terbutaline. Of the 122 AAFs involving β2-agonists in 2014, terbutaline accounted for 76%, whereas salbutamol and formoterol only accounted for 12% together (The World Anti-Doping Agency, 2014a).

Terbutaline is commonly prescribed to athletes with asthma and exercise-induced bronchoconstriction in Northern Europe. As of 2016, athletes must obtain a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) to use inhaled terbutaline (The World Anti-Doping Agency, 2015a). Because no urinary threshold and decision limit exist for terbutaline, athletes who have acquired a TUE for terbutaline have an open window for supratherapeutic misuse. This is problematic since high-dose inhalation and oral administration of terbutaline have been shown to increase maximal sprint ability and muscle force"

How many of these guys had TUEs for Terbutaline.

Faster Skier:

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“Inhaled salbutamol (maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours);

ï‚ Inhaled formoterol (maximum delivered dose 54 micrograms over 24 hours); and

Inhaled salmeterol in accordance with the manufacturers’ recommended therapeutic regimen.

The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is presumed not to be an intended therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of the use of the therapeutic inhaled dose up to the maximum indicated above.”

Sundby’s urine samples both had over 1300 ng/mL of salbutamol, triggering an AAF and beginning the investigative process into whether he had an appropriate TUE."

King Ches