notrump wrote:
The taser does not reliably disable. So the choice still comes down to getting into a wrestling match, using a deadly force, or allowing the individual to go unapprehended. Three bad choices. Sometimes that third choice is the correct one, but it also has its risks.
They shouldn't carry them if they don't trust them enough to use them. They are billed as a less harmful alternative.
Though he should'nt have had to do that for a 66 year old woman.
The liberal thinking of a "wimpy cop" is what has created these situations. The strong, fit, male who is able to handle his own physically has been condemned. No longer is a muscular, 6-02, police officer who is willing to go hands on permitted in the eyes of soft minded liberals. Imagine seeing an officer engaged in a physical altercation while using his learned self defense moves. There would be 14 different cameras held by man bun wearing peach fuzzed chinned softies yelling "brutality" condemning the "bully" officer online.
The reason so many officers can't maintain (or even met to begin with) the fitness requirements is because so many "progressives" determined they wanted "thinkers" and brought their "everybody is a winner" mindset to law enforcement. Now a 4-09, 92lb bag of bones who couldn't pass a pt test to save their life gets to be a cop because "they tried real hard" and has "other strengths in the community." Be careful what you wish for ya silly gooses!
olcx wrote:
Good for the cop.
If you go after a cop with a baseball bat..
Maybe you'll get shot.
Im sure the person that started this thread would have reasoned with her.
he needs to sponsor some training for all the brave souls that protect us every day.
To improve what they do.
Please submit your name to the nearest police precinct office.
If that f*cking a$$hole who blew up a bomb in NYC and shot at police when cornered can be taken in alive then a 66 year old woman with a baseball bat can be as well. You really need to question why she wasn't.
how we do it. wrote:
how we do it. wrote:You must not know any police officers.
Some of the issue with police fitness can also be pinned on the police unions. Fitness tests, after academy, are either very watered down or non existent, which helps both women and older officers. I am in the National Guard and have seen full time civillian police officers that cannot pass the very simple Air Force fitness test. And this is a larger metro area.
That also differs by department of course. I know a couple of State Police and they seem to have higher standards.
Another issue that I see in cases like this is that we expect our police officers to my mental health specialists. The call to 911 reported a woman in a mental health crisis. The woman was known to police as they had several calls for her prior to this.
Was she ever treated for her mental health issues? Why can't a mental health specialists respond to an incident like this?
This cop will probably go to prison, rightfully so based on the early story, but we cannot expect them to always effectively deal with these types of situations. Maybe 90% of the police would have handled this differently but there is always that one guy.
Hitting the nail on the head. But adding to it. A bat wielded by a 66 year old woman, hurts just as much when cracked over the head as a bat wielded by a 47 year old man. A bat is a bat.
On top of that the Police are there to POLICE. Some people decry facts that are known AFTER the incident that aren't apparent to the police.
Example (from another real life situation):
"I called 911 because my grown adult son who suffers from paranoia was trying to stab me with a knife, they came here, he turned the knife on them and the big bad police shot him. HE HAD A MENTAL DISABILITY!"
Well, that knife in the hands of that man is just as sharp regardless of his disability. The police aren't mind readers. AND if a family member familiar with the disability couldn't recognize and calm the situation how would a total stranger who happens to be in law enforcement be able to get through?
If more anti police letsrunners applied the sense they use towards law enforcement on running, their running plans would look like this.
"Ima train for da 5kmarathon everyday by running as hard as I can for der three miles every day and then Ill be fastest in a week."
Outsider: "No, thats not how it works, you need to vary your training, do longs runs, do intervals, do other work over many months and years."
"No, sh'up the answer is obvi, cause you just gotta run da fast as you can alwayz."
Do research, learn, recognize what seems "apparent" and face value isn't always correct.
coach deez kids wrote:
olcx wrote:Good for the cop.
If you go after a cop with a baseball bat..
Maybe you'll get shot.
Im sure the person that started this thread would have reasoned with her.
he needs to sponsor some training for all the brave souls that protect us every day.
To improve what they do.
Please submit your name to the nearest police precinct office.
If that f*cking a$$hole who blew up a bomb in NYC and shot at police when cornered can be taken in alive then a 66 year old woman with a baseball bat can be as well. You really need to question why she wasn't.
He wasn't "taken alive." It so happens to be that he didn't die after the police shot him.
Police do not shoot to kill, they shoot to neutralize the threat directed at them. Sometimes the bullets end in death for those on the receiving end, sometimes it does not. Often times in a shooting that determination is made based off of where the rounds entered, what they did after they entered, and what the person did after being shot (did they continue to fight? Did they flee? Did they surrender?) Every shooting is different. Think critically.
libsmindset wrote:
The liberal thinking of a "wimpy cop" is what has created these situations. The strong, fit, male who is able to handle his own physically has been condemned. No longer is a muscular, 6-02, police officer who is willing to go hands on permitted in the eyes of soft minded liberals. Imagine seeing an officer engaged in a physical altercation while using his learned self defense moves. There would be 14 different cameras held by man bun wearing peach fuzzed chinned softies yelling "brutality" condemning the "bully" officer online.
The reason so many officers can't maintain (or even met to begin with) the fitness requirements is because so many "progressives" determined they wanted "thinkers" and brought their "everybody is a winner" mindset to law enforcement. Now a 4-09, 92lb bag of bones who couldn't pass a pt test to save their life gets to be a cop because "they tried real hard" and has "other strengths in the community." Be careful what you wish for ya silly gooses!
Great speech, do you have a shred of evidence to back up any of this?
olcx wrote:
Good for the cop.
If you go after a cop with a baseball bat..
Maybe you'll get shot.
Im sure the person that started this thread would have reasoned with her.
he needs to sponsor some training for all the brave souls that protect us every day.
To improve what they do.
Please submit your name to the nearest police precinct office.
You blind coward........
I only wish this happened to your child, parent, or a dear family member. Maybe then, you would take off your blue ass-kissing glasses and see the truth.
didnt read through the whole thread nor the link.
My first thought was that if the cop was disabled by the bat, the person could then take their gun and shoot them.
That is what the police are doing in these situations. They are protecting their firearm.
Bob Schul Country wrote:
didnt read through the whole thread nor the link.
My first thought was that if the cop was disabled by the bat, the person could then take their gun and shoot them.
That is what the police are doing in these situations. They are protecting their firearm.
If you would have read the link, the punk cop's own Chief called it a mistake. It's the headline of the article.
So, all of the dickbags defending the murdering pig can rest easy knowing even the pig's own department doesn't support his actions.
Hi son wrote:
Guess she should have listened to a cop pointing a GUN at her.
Is that so hard?
While I support cops in most cases ... and hate these folks condemning cops from their living rooms, far removed from the low-lifes the cops have to face ... this is a travesty.
Every cop is a criminal. If we executed all cops, the crime rate would plummet.
Crooked Hillary wrote:
Hi son wrote:Guess she should have listened to a cop pointing a GUN at her.
Is that so hard?
While I support cops in most cases ... and hate these folks condemning cops from their living rooms, far removed from the low-lifes the cops have to face ... this is a travesty.
Just for the record, I condemn them from ALL rooms in my house, on the street, and everywhere I go.
And the lowlifes you speak of people encounter on the street? I've seen them. You can identify them by their stupid looking uniform and that smug look on their stupid face.
Pigs.....the lowest form of life known to modern society.
Gordon Lightfart wrote:
Crooked Hillary wrote:While I support cops in most cases ... and hate these folks condemning cops from their living rooms, far removed from the low-lifes the cops have to face ... this is a travesty.
Just for the record, I condemn them from ALL rooms in my house, on the street, and everywhere I go.
And the lowlifes you speak of people encounter on the street? I've seen them. You can identify them by their stupid looking uniform and that smug look on their stupid face.
Pigs.....the lowest form of life known to modern society.
No, I would argue that you and your ilk (apologies to the ilk of the world) are the definition of that.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Gordon Lightfart wrote:Just for the record, I condemn them from ALL rooms in my house, on the street, and everywhere I go.
And the lowlifes you speak of people encounter on the street? I've seen them. You can identify them by their stupid looking uniform and that smug look on their stupid face.
Pigs.....the lowest form of life known to modern society.
No, I would argue that you and your ilk (apologies to the ilk of the world) are the definition of that.
I've never shot and killed a defenseless mentally disturbed elderly woman. That puts me above your hero pig who's prostate you wish to milk dry.
You should be ashamed to call yourself a man, you old coward.
Gordon Lightfart wrote:
Living in America wrote:Do what the police tell you to do or they are free to kill you.
Do not reach toward anything or the police are free to kill you.
Do not say or do anything that might make a police officer later say he/she was fearful of injury or they are free to kill you.
Don't be drunk, high on drugs, or mentally ill in the presence of the police or the police are free to kill you.
If you are ever in any of those situations and the police did not kill you, you should be thankful to the police for showing you mercy.
F U and the pigs. You are a coward.
What would life be like without the police?
No laws, you shoot anyone?
You are an idiot. I.D.I.O.T
Trex wrote:
Gordon Lightfart wrote:F U and the pigs. You are a coward.
What would life be like without the police?
No laws, you shoot anyone?
You are an idiot. I.D.I.O.T
You brainwashed wuss..... You are exactly the robotic pansy that pigs love. You would cower in a corner while your heroes beat your wife and children because you "respect authority."
How about this question: Where would the lady featured in the article be without police in her life?
The answer: Alive.
Doesn't matter if she was "emotionally disturbed" or not. Bottom line is an individual attacked a cop with a baseball bat. Sure, would have been nice if he employed less than lethal means to subdue her, but anyone that has been a cop knows that things have a way of turning to shit quickly, and far quicker than the time you can take to make your way up the use of force continuum. Google that if you have to. Bottom line, as it would be for anyone, when a cop points a gun at you and tells you to do/not do something - listen, and follow their commands. As for the cop haters on here, the next time someone steals your Prius, swerves at you while you're running or steals your identity and makes a generous donation to the Trump campaign, call the post office, fire department or power company and let them assist you.
5-0 wrote:
Doesn't matter if she was "emotionally disturbed" or not. Bottom line is an individual attacked a cop with a baseball bat. Sure, would have been nice if he employed less than lethal means to subdue her, but anyone that has been a cop knows that things have a way of turning to shit quickly, and far quicker than the time you can take to make your way up the use of force continuum. Google that if you have to. Bottom line, as it would be for anyone, when a cop points a gun at you and tells you to do/not do something - listen, and follow their commands. As for the cop haters on here, the next time someone steals your Prius, swerves at you while you're running or steals your identity and makes a generous donation to the Trump campaign, call the post office, fire department or power company and let them assist you.
Yeah, it does matter. Ask the pig's supervisor who admitted his poor judgement in killing the woman.
It would have been "nice?" What a dick you are. Wish the victim was your child or parent.
And just because weak willed dildos like you run to the cops for protection, don't think everyone is as cowardly.
YOU call the pigs next time you are scared. Just don't be having a medical episode, be holding a tv remote, or be deaf. All three of those circumstances led to a pig shooting and killing a person in the last few months. I'll never call those gutless shits for anything. Their worthless service is not needed or wanted here.
Now go hide behind your mommy's skirt, Nancy.
Hey 5-0,
Go down to the local police station and service the desk sergeant's f-stick.
Doyoureadbro? wrote:
Police do not shoot to kill, they shoot to neutralize the threat directed at them. Think critically.
A 66 year old woman with a bat can't be neutralized in any other way than by shooting? How about you think critically, BRO.
People use guns because they are scared and weak.