Caster Semenya (oh Man)

1992ofsaa wrote:

Look at her showing off after her race, flexing her muscles and brushing off imaginary dust off her shoulders. Sticking out her tongue for the cameras etc.

Thank you for being clear on what is "unacceptable" for a woman in the eyes of 1992ofsaa.

Perhaps Semenya will do a cute two-handed wave on the starting line and blow kisses after the race, to satisfy you. Because that's what all women should do.

Thank you, also, for being so revealing of your biases. When you are that troubled by what you think is allowed of women, its not surprising that you make your emotional little arguments with no regard for logic.

If indeed Semenya is XY, she has an inherent genetic advantage over XX. Very different than lung capacity or big feet, or extra long legs/strength to weigh ratio. Not to mention internal testes pumping out extra T.

US News wikileak wrote:

If indeed Semenya is XY, she has an inherent genetic advantage over XX. Very different than lung capacity or big feet, or extra long legs/strength to weigh ratio. Not to mention internal testes pumping out extra T.

Seriously, just shut up, racist.

your logic stinks wrote:

1992ofsaa wrote:

Look at her showing off after her race, flexing her muscles and brushing off imaginary dust off her shoulders. Sticking out her tongue for the cameras etc.

Thank you for being clear on what is "unacceptable" for a woman in the eyes of 1992ofsaa.

Perhaps Semenya will do a cute two-handed wave on the starting line and blow kisses after the race, to satisfy you. Because that's what all women should do.

Thank you, also, for being so revealing of your biases. When you are that troubled by what you think is allowed of women, its not surprising that you make your emotional little arguments with no regard for logic.

Perhaps we should DQ female athletes that don't blow kisses pre-race and give a twirl post-race. That would satisfy people like 1992ofsaa.

sfdg wrote:

This topic would be completely figured out if Caster just ran an all out 800m and smashed the world record. I'm completely ok calling Caster 'she' because that is her preferred gender. I'm not okay with her competing against biologically inferior athletes and jogging in front of them

I feel that is a dangerous dead end street. If he has the right to lie and to say he's a women, then whatever. However I far more have the right to tell the truth of this matter and to honestly say he's a man.

Furthermore it is dangerous to misleadingly say he's a women, because then the idiots can say well since he (says he's) a "woman" then he can compete with the women. By saying he's a women, you're saying he can compete with one, i.e. pick your poison, it would still be death to the women's event.

Best is being completely honest from the start. He is a man, and he has no right to compete in the women's events.

Future guy wrote:

US News wikileak wrote:

If indeed Semenya is XY, she has an inherent genetic advantage over XX. Very different than lung capacity or big feet, or extra long legs/strength to weigh ratio. Not to mention internal testes pumping out extra T.

Seriously, just shut up, racist.

obviously lame attempt by a racist xenophobe right winger that fits in with LRC troll crowd.

0/10

your logic stinks wrote:

Perhaps Semenya will do a cute two-handed wave on the starting line and blow kisses after the race, to satisfy you. Because that's what all women should do.

This is the type of idiot who wants men to be running in women's events.

I have no interest in seeing a bunch of mediocre male runners contesting a womens' 800m. I don't admire Semenya, Niyonsaba or Wambui for running, in fact I think they are pathetic. If they ran with the men, I would admire them then but they choose not to, to take the easier option and ruin the prospects of genuinely talented female runners who are better than them. I say better than them because they run nearly as fast as them on 3 times less testosterone. If the testosterone playing field alone were levelled (leaving aside male bone structure, heart, lungs, blood volume, etc.) they would blow the intersex trio out of the water.

I think we need to see female 800m athletes taking legal action for loss of earnings based on sexual discrimination. The intersex farce has only affected women; men are not affected in any adverse way whatsoever.

But of course politically correct athletics associations are never going to back them. So any legal action would have to be self funding, and the athlete taking it would be subjected to all sorts of abuse and allegations of racism, etc..

Semenya etc are definatley not women and the reason they are being allowed to race in womens' races is that all it takes now to be a woman is to say that you are one. Never mind that any mammal with a Y chromosome is male and that includes Semenya, who has those internal testes because he is a male. It is impossible to be female and to have internal testes because it is the Y chromosome which sends the genetic instructions to code for them. And that is also why Semenya looks male. Semenya is an incorrectly developed male who may or many not be somewhat resistant to testosterone, but who is nevertheless resistant enough to testosterone to respond to it far more than a woman.

Its a very male way of behaving that Semenya did after the Olympics. I think it was pretty obvious to most women that butting in to one woman comforting another woman (as Lindsay Sharpe was doing to Melissa Bishop) after the race is going to be unwelcome. But Semenya attempted to blunder in, and was rebuffed. It was such a typical look a woman gives a man who is not welcome. There are some things that instinct tells us.

Semenya behaves like a rather ill mannered, blunt man. I think that is what the previous poster means by saying Semenya has no class. The biceps flexing is presumably because Semenya is allowed to run legally in a race which Semenya finds easy because of Semenya's characteristics. Almost like saying "This is what I'm like, and how much more strength I have than the other athletes in the race, and theres nothing you can do about it".

Certainly I'd agree that Semenya lacks class. But I'd also argue that Semenya lacks courage, integrity, honesty and talent. I certainly don't find him admirable in any way. If he got fitter, and leaner, and improved, and ran with the men, then, yes, that would be something to admire.

I hate to point out the obvious, but Bolt, Phelps, Ledecky, etc. don't have 30 times or even 3 times longer legs, bigger hearts, lungs, etc than their competitors.

Their advantages, while at the more extreme end of physical humanity, are not off the scale so as to be many multiples of it in the way Semenya's testosterone is. Never mind the size of Semenya's physical characteristics when compared to female athletes.

I got no problem with Castor. Given all the extra testosterone she's still 2 seconds slower than the world record.

Not XY wrote:

I hate to point out the obvious, but Bolt, Phelps, Ledecky, etc. don't have 30 times or even 3 times longer legs, bigger hearts, lungs, etc than their competitors.

Their advantages, while at the more extreme end of physical humanity, are not off the scale so as to be many multiples of it in the way Semenya's testosterone is. Never mind the size of Semenya's physical characteristics when compared to female athletes.

Are you trying to make a point here? Semenya is a woman. She is much better at running the 800m race than other women.

She is the world's tallest midget as far as I am concerned, and if that means midget sports are dead, then whatever.

Not XY wrote:

I think we need to see female 800m athletes taking legal action for loss of earnings based on sexual discrimination. The intersex farce has only affected women; men are not affected in any adverse way whatsoever.

Yes, and whatever else can be done.

You sure sound like a good time!

Quiz show host wrote:

Are you trying to make a point here? Semenya is a woman. She is much better at running the 800m race than other women.

She is the world's tallest midget as far as I am concerned, and if that means midget sports are dead, then whatever.

This is the kind of idiot who wants men to take over the women's events.

I pretty certain Caster could break the world record if she wanted to. Doesn't want to bring more attention to her superiority over others.

your logic stinks wrote:

The only defensible distinction is by chromosomes: XY or anyone else with a male chromosome (XYY etc) male, XX and others without a Y (XXX etc) female.

This would be a terrible distinction, for instance for women with AIS.

Also

your logic stinks wrote:

Thank you for being clear on what is "unacceptable" for a woman in the eyes of 1992ofsaa.

I think you should check this

out.

Sleepy wrote:

I pretty certain Caster could break the world record if she wanted to. Doesn't want to bring more attention to her superiority over others.

Definitely. Appears to be patiently stringing this out, and at most will incrementally bring down her PRs a few tenths at a time. At best 1:54,7 tomorrow, likely 1:55.0 or slower, or just enough to win by a few strides.

Capable of 1:52 based on what we have seen.

US News wikileak wrote:

Sshe has an inherent genetic advantage. Very different than lung capacity or big feet, or extra long legs/strength to weigh ratio.

Which of these points are not true of Ledecky?

Which is not clear of Phelps?