It means that 99.99% of female XX runners should give up their Olympic medal dreams indefinitely so that 0.01% won't be inconvenienced to have to run in another category (Paralympic or men/open)
Semenya Joke Wads wrote:
Limousine Liberals wrote:They're SJWs... do not be fooled by the name, SJWs care not about justice, but about blaming everything on white people, men, and western civilization.
I just now figured out what it means.
miche wrote:
white women have no human rights
"Whites have no human rights" - corrected for you.
Semenya Joke Wads wrote:
I just now figured out what it means.
One Not Like The Others wrote:
It means that 99.99% of female XX runners should give up their Olympic medal dreams indefinitely so that 0.01% won't be inconvenienced to have to run in another category (Paralympic or men/open)
I feel my own definition is more appropriate.
polraider wrote:
This twitter account you are reffering to is not Joanna's. It is a false account.
The only ones posting there are intersexed male idiots.
How do you know it's a fake account, and can't they be held responsible for slandering her in that manner?
Words about "second white" are just lies. I don't know, where The Independent took it from. I am a Pole and saw the original interview in polish television just after the competition. Transcription is still available in polish press. There is nothing about being "second white". Joanna says, that situation with Semenya is unfair and that she feels like silver medalist. There are some words about testosteron, but nothing about beeing white or black. It is just bullshit. And Joanna have full support of polish fans and press.
If you could read polish, you would find there messages from polish athletes like Marek Plawgo (former 400m h worlds medalist) about this account beeing false. It is fan's account. Not to mention I personally know Joanna.
What more, Joanna just issued a statement about twitter account beeing false and that her words about "feeling silver" are her opinion about all this testosteron thing, not racist: https://web.facebook.com/joannajozwik800/?fref=ts
You trolls, if you want to get into some discussion with some folks pretty far out there on the spectrum check the site listed below. The main forum is hidden and to post at any of the other forums you need to register anyway. Would take about 3-5 trolls to take them on, otherwise you'll get beaten down. But you can do it!
Check:
http://chrunners.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=367e2d8b3f8adaa139360200575a8490&action=forum
It's crazy to me that "feminists" these days are so completely unconcerned with the completely devastating effect the IAAF's gender policy is going to have on non-intersex women.
For decades, women's rights advocates have fought for laws, rules, and changes to enable women to compete at elite levels. It was a hard uphill battle to get to the point where women like Jozwik and Sharpe have the opportunity to run professionally.
And progressives now seem to be completely unconcerned with the fact that all that progress is all being undone. We're going to see women's track events dominated by intersex athletes, there will be no opportunity for non-intersex women to be competitive. We're back to women being 3rd class citizens in the track world.
I get that this is a complicated issue, but the complete and utter disregard for the impact intersex competitors is going to have on the vast majority of women is appalling. And the fact that these SJWs are hateful, and not even remotely sympathetic to the plight of non-intersex women, is just completely confounding.
Sorry women! In the interests of inclusivity, you will not be excluded from elite athletic competition. If you don't like it, you are a bigot. STFU and be happy we even let you run.
What about the women? wrote:
It's crazy to me that "feminists" these days are so completely unconcerned with the completely devastating effect the IAAF's gender policy is going to have on non-intersex women.
For decades, women's rights advocates have fought for laws, rules, and changes to enable women to compete at elite levels. It was a hard uphill battle to get to the point where women like Jozwik and Sharpe have the opportunity to run professionally.
And progressives now seem to be completely unconcerned with the fact that all that progress is all being undone. We're going to see women's track events dominated by intersex athletes, there will be no opportunity for non-intersex women to be competitive. We're back to women being 3rd class citizens in the track world.
I get that this is a complicated issue, but the complete and utter disregard for the impact intersex competitors is going to have on the vast majority of women is appalling. And the fact that these SJWs are hateful, and not even remotely sympathetic to the plight of non-intersex women, is just completely confounding.
Sorry women! In the interests of inclusivity, you will not be excluded from elite athletic competition. If you don't like it, you are a bigot. STFU and be happy we even let you run.
I know you were being sarcastic, but if someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You act like this is a slap in the face of all women, when it really only affects the top .0001%. Whether or not Semenya wins gold has nothing to do with a HS girl running 2:20 or even an NCAA D1 runner going 2:02. They should be able to find enjoyment in the sport without having to be chasing Olympic glory.
I ran 1:58 in college, I will never run in the Olympic trials, but I still live and breathe the sport.
What about the women? wrote:
It's crazy to me that "feminists" these days are so completely unconcerned with the completely devastating effect the IAAF's gender policy is going to have on non-intersex women.
For decades, women's rights advocates have fought for laws, rules, and changes to enable women to compete at elite levels. It was a hard uphill battle to get to the point where women like Jozwik and Sharpe have the opportunity to run professionally.
And progressives now seem to be completely unconcerned with the fact that all that progress is all being undone. We're going to see women's track events dominated by intersex athletes, there will be no opportunity for non-intersex women to be competitive. We're back to women being 3rd class citizens in the track world.
I get that this is a complicated issue, but the complete and utter disregard for the impact intersex competitors is going to have on the vast majority of women is appalling. And the fact that these SJWs are hateful, and not even remotely sympathetic to the plight of non-intersex women, is just completely confounding.
Sorry women! In the interests of inclusivity, you will not be excluded from elite athletic competition. If you don't like it, you are a bigot. STFU and be happy we even let you run.
Believe me, these feminists don't give a damn about athletics, or intersex athletes for that matter. Fem-Nazis use Semenya, et al. as a reason to spew their venom. I agree with previous posters. They see Jozwik and Sharp as the popular girls from their "tormented" pasts, and this is their way of exacting revenge. There is a definite subsection of women that modern day feminists wish to destroy.
Uptown wrote:
How creepy/weird is the photo of Caster laying hands on Bishop and Sharp, who clearly want nothing to do with Semenya.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40joannajozwik&src=typd
Yes, this makes Sharp look very creepy and weird.
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
I know you were being sarcastic, but if someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You act like this is a slap in the face of all women, when it really only affects the top .0001%.
Wow, this is completely and totally wrong.
Having elite women in athletics does affect ALL women. It gives women role models to follow. It gives women something to aspire to. It's not just the 0.0001% that's affected, it's every teenage athlete out who watched the olympics and concluded that there wasn't a future for them in track. Not to mention, once we start seeing the majority of D1 scholarships in the NCAA going to trans/intersex athletes, it's game over for women in track.
And putting aside Jozwik's comments, because I have yet to see a reliable translation... can you point specifically to what Sharpe said that was bigotted? I mean, quote her directly and tell me where the bigotted statement was. The lack of empathy for the situation these women are in is just astounding.
God damn, this complete hate for non-intersex women is something I just don't understand. Progress!
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
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I know you were being sarcastic, but if someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You act like this is a slap in the face of all women, when it really only affects the top .0001%. Whether or not Semenya wins gold has nothing to do with a HS girl running 2:20 or even an NCAA D1 runner going 2:02. They should be able to find enjoyment in the sport without having to be chasing Olympic glory.
I ran 1:58 in college, I will never run in the Olympic trials, but I still live and breathe the sport.[/quote]
the issue is in addition to the olympic also the levels all the way up to them. For jr athletes, youth, high school etc, if transgender men are allowed to compete in them, all levels are affected
What about the women? wrote:
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:I know you were being sarcastic, but if someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You act like this is a slap in the face of all women, when it really only affects the top .0001%.
Wow, this is completely and totally wrong.
Having elite women in athletics does affect ALL women. It gives women role models to follow. It gives women something to aspire to. It's not just the 0.0001% that's affected, it's every teenage athlete out who watched the olympics and concluded that there wasn't a future for them in track. Not to mention, once we start seeing the majority of D1 scholarships in the NCAA going to trans/intersex athletes, it's game over for women in track.
And putting aside Jozwik's comments, because I have yet to see a reliable translation... can you point specifically to what Sharpe said that was bigotted? I mean, quote her directly and tell me where the bigotted statement was. The lack of empathy for the situation these women are in is just astounding.
God damn, this complete hate for non-intersex women is something I just don't understand. Progress!
the issue is in addition to the olympic also the levels all the way up to them. For jr athletes, youth, high school etc, if transgender men are allowed to compete in them, all levels are affected
The twitter quote was a lie to make JJ look racist. Here is a direct translation of the original quote:
From the article:
"Asked by journalists about how to beat Caster Semenya, said: I think that once again enter the limit of testosterone. A little too ironically: let me inject a little testosterone and I will beat them.
She mentioned the situation, which took place when she went to the stadium before the race final. Margaret Wambui walked in front of me and my friend . She is three times bigger than me - it was like I do I feel? Obviously, she will do one step - I have three. It is a little unfair for us, my friend said.
As noted, I feel like the Olympic runner-up. I saw the Canadian Melissa Bishop, who was fourth and was very disappointed. She improved personal record and was behind the podium. That is very sad. I think she should be a gold medalist. I also feel like the Olympic runner-up. "
No mention of "first European, second white".
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7620761#ixzz4IB1vSok7
this is where it is wrote:
yeah my wikipedia and google-level researching and associated genetics degree conferred thereby suggest that she is XY with AIS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome(I assume someone on this site knew this already)
I now am of the opinion that there is no solution to this that doesn't leave large swaths of people outraged
Not XY wrote:Again, by the process of elimination, its highly unlikely to be XXY as it (Klinefelter syndrome) usually goes along with serious metabolic disorders that would make training to any kind of competitive level impossible. In fact, supplementing with additional testosterone is more likely than producing high levels naturally but an individual will still be male because of the Y chromosome ie possessing male organs and characteristics.
It is the presence of a Y chromosome that makes someone male. Those with XXY are considered male because of the Y chromosome.
I'm not some scientist, this is basic high school level human biology.
She 100% does not have AIS. People born with AIS are XY but because they don't have testosterone receptors it is if they are female, despite being genetically male. They are often described as the most beautiful women in the world.
polraider wrote:
Words about "second white" are just lies. I don't know, where The Independent took it from. I am a Pole and saw the original interview in polish television just after the competition. Transcription is still available in polish press. There is nothing about being "second white". Joanna says, that situation with Semenya is unfair and that she feels like silver medalist. There are some words about testosteron, but nothing about beeing white or black. It is just bullshit. And Joanna have full support of polish fans and press.
Awesome. Thanks for the clarification.
There sure are a lot of lies that are coming from the intersexed men.
Definitely not Blankenship wrote:
If someone is siding with jozwikand sharpe on this, he or she is a bigot.
You can tell a bigot by his words, and you're the one who's the bigot.
Uptown wrote:
How creepy/weird is the photo of Caster laying hands on Bishop and Sharp, who clearly want nothing to do with Semenya.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40joannajozwik&src=typd
the best wrote:
Yes, this makes Semenya look very creepy and weird.
I agree, Semanya is an invasive male creep, and this is more proof of that.
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