Ayana's 5K semi.

SplashPage wrote:

Can you identify in my post where I made an unsubstantiated accusation?

I asked why an athlete who just ran a balls to the wall 10K four days ago would take off 2K into a preliminary heat in a 5K when they just as easily, and more wisely, could have waited until the last 200M of the race to take control.

She put in more effort this morning than she needed to to qualify. That is stupid racing. Period.

It is stupid to suggest that she should wait until the final 200m. Ayana is a distance runner. She does not have the best kick so waiting until the last 200m in a very slow race would be stupid.

There is nothing stupid about the way she ran the 5000. A comfortable tempo effort is not going to take any more than a day to recover from. It keeps her from getting outkicked and from falling. Plus maybe she just hates running unnecessarily slow.

SplashPage wrote:

Can you identify in my post where I made an unsubstantiated accusation?

I asked why an athlete who just ran a balls to the wall 10K four days ago would take off 2K into a preliminary heat in a 5K when they just as easily, and more wisely, could have waited until the last 200M of the race to take control.

She put in more effort this morning than she needed to to qualify. That is stupid racing. Period.

Ayana really needs to take more advice from the genius distance coaches, athletes and fans of western nations. Their stellar results of their athletes in recent times at the Olympics is proof that they know what is best for producing Olympic medallists .

She's run 8:22 and 14:12. You don't think she could kick off of 15:25 pace?

Fine don't wait until the last 200. Wait until the last 800. It still would have been much smarter than how she ran this morning.

v6 wrote:

Zlatan wrote:

She ran 15:04. She can literally run a full minute faster. Not her fault there's no strength in depth in women's sport. So she got a nice training session instead of wasting a day.

It's the same as Rupp running a 13:40. Just a nice stretch of the legs.

Rupp cannot run literally a full minute faster than 13:40.

Actually, saying Rupp in 13:40 is a fairly close equivalent, but 13:45 would be closer.

Ayana running 15:04 ran 6.03% slower than her PR of 14:12. If Rupp ran 6.03% slower than his PR of 12:58.9, it would be about 13:45.

True. Evidence for her being clean, but what else is new?

Disgusted wrote:

Coach G wrote:

Idiotic question.

You Americans who question every winning performance by a non American is growing old.

Who says I am an American, you dumb Limey?

I've been around LRC long enough to know that all non-Americans are doping, and the non-white Americans are suspect. The only clean ones in the sport come from the USA and are white.

SplashPage wrote:

She's run 8:22 and 14:12. You don't think she could kick off of 15:25 pace?

Fine don't wait until the last 200. Wait until the last 800. It still would have been much smarter than how she ran this morning.

8:22 and 14:12 do not mean she can kick off of 15:25 pace. Kicking is about top speed too not just fatigue. She has run 29:1x for 10000 so that means that she is probably more endurance oriented than speed oriented. There are probably a few 1500m types in the 5000m that could outkick her in a slow race.

Why do you keep saying she was stupid? If it isn't going to cause fatigue, then how is it stupid? Running an all out kick with 200 or especially 800 to go would be far more fatiguing than a tempo effort.

If you guys were drafting the IAAF rules, then a fast time in the prelims is an automatic suspension or even a lifetime ban.

Makes sense. That's the sport I want to watch.

You ought to use a proportion for comparisson not a constant.

He didn't imply Rupp could run a minute faster, just said the effort required was virtually the same, which is right

Because for this kind of athletes running 15'20" at even pace can produce more fatigue in your muscles, since the reduction of speed produces some increase in the eccentric contraction, reducing the optimal tension for the athlete. For an athlete running 29'17" in 10000m running 15 minutes or 15'20" doesn't change anything under organical point of view, but, under biomechanical side, if you go more far from the "specific pace" you have to change a little bit your technique, and the muscle fatigue becomes higher.

This can also explain why marathon runners running very slow are not able to finish their last kms so fast as are able with a faster pace from the beginning.

If you have a car going at 50% of the max speed using the last gear, and another car overtakes you very much faster, you can't accelerate in short time if you don't reduce the gear. So, remember that running slowly brings athletes to "put to sleep" their legs, and some fast part of a preliminary round can reduce the fatigue, compared with a more slow race with a very fast last lap because you need to sprint with a group.

Coach G wrote:

Idiotic question.

You Americans who question every winning performance by a non American is growing old.

Americans are constantly brainwashed by the corporate media.

Exactly, makes sense. If I kick at the end of a race I always have longer recovery than if I had an even pace even if it was faster.

getajob wrote:

Ayana really needs to take more advice from the genius distance coaches, athletes and fans of western nations. Their stellar results of their athletes in recent times at the Olympics is proof that they know what is best for producing Olympic medallists .

The reason the OP isn't crazy for posting the "stupid racing" bit probably stems from all the head scratching we did when Dibaba threw down that 57 in her semi - and look what it got her.

Just because she is non American doesn't automatically qualify her as a stellar rounds racer.

I whole heartedly agree with Canova that for Ayana to run too slow would increase her muscle fatigue rather than preserve it but, in this instance, 15:04/8:50 could conceivably be construed as Dibaba-esque.

Renato Canova wrote:

If you have a car going at 50% of the max speed using the last gear, and another car overtakes you very much faster, you can't accelerate in short time if you don't reduce the gear.

I love car analogies.

Mr. Canova, using your explanation, you suggest an even faster final. How much faster will she go?

Jefe in the CO wrote:

getajob wrote:

Ayana really needs to take more advice from the genius distance coaches, athletes and fans of western nations. Their stellar results of their athletes in recent times at the Olympics is proof that they know what is best for producing Olympic medallists .

The reason the OP isn't crazy for posting the "stupid racing" bit probably stems from all the head scratching we did when Dibaba threw down that 57 in her semi - and look what it got her.

Just because she is non American doesn't automatically qualify her as a stellar rounds racer.

I whole heartedly agree with Canova that for Ayana to run too slow would increase her muscle fatigue rather than preserve it but, in this instance, 15:04/8:50 could conceivably be construed as Dibaba-esque.

Ahem, where are all the pissants now?