Can someone explain to me why voter ID laws are bad?

theohiostate wrote:

19th Amendment wrote:

How about if you don't drive, drink, or 'get welfare'. What if the person recently moved to a new state for work or school? What if your license is suspended or just lost and you don't have the $50 to renew? This describes a not insignificant number of older citizens, college kids, and poor demos in cities with public transportation. If Wejo's stats are accurate, 1.2M in Texas alone. Why disenfranchise these people when there's no measurable voting risk to their enfranchisement?

Can you actually feed yourself?

P.O.D.

Phil Fondacaro wrote:

I am against voter ID because of the cost involved. There is effectively no voter fraud.

Requiring voter ID is just going to lead to larger government for no good reason. Eventually every state would have a department for registering voters. You will get your driver's license from the DMV and your voting license from the DRV. Republicans are for smaller government. Requiring voter ID is the sort of wasteful governmental boondoggle that they should be against.

Why?

You just accept any of several different forms of self-identification already issued by the state. Even a water bill would be better than nothing.

This doesn't increase the size of govt. It increases the job of the voting booth volunteers by about 12 seconds.

If you are too lazy or incompetent to prove that you should be voting where you are voting, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

The problem is the $250 fee, not the voter ID law.

He has had four years. Four. Years.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Why does that only apply to poor black and latino? You have poor whites, you have poor native-american, you have poor asian. Why does that article only focus on poor black and latino??? I would love to know.

Debbie Devronica wrote: Hey Phil - in Texas your effing ID is free! No costs. We will even drive your lazy ass to the DPS to get you your effing free ID!

Cost to the taxpayer, not cost to the ID-seeker. Please explain how this works. I live in California in the bay area. There is a Texas governmental division called the DPS that will drive me to Texas to get an ID for free? Will they drive me back? I assume DPS is paying for this drive. That is a ridiculous cost that will be passed on to the taxpayer. Does DPS do anything besides ferrying people around to get voter IDs? If not, that department should be eliminated.

Debbie Devronica wrote:

Phil Fondacaro wrote:

I am against voter ID because of the cost involved. There is effectively no voter fraud.

Requiring voter ID is just going to lead to larger government for no good reason. Eventually every state would have a department for registering voters. You will get your driver's license from the DMV and your voting license from the DRV. Republicans are for smaller government. Requiring voter ID is the sort of wasteful governmental boondoggle that they should be against.

Hey Phil - in Texas your effing ID is free! No costs. We will even drive your lazy ass to the DPS to get you your effing free ID!

And Phil - last election cycle someone voted as Eric Holder - i.e., someone fraudulently voting as the former AG - no fraud Phil? You that dense?

wejo wrote:

It's a sad state of affairs that requiring an ID is considered some ridiculous burden on people.

What is more sad is that Republicans only want ID proof at polls, and leave absentee balloting --No ID required-- alone. Guess why? Absentee balloting favors them.

Phil Fondacaro wrote:

Debbie Devronica wrote: Hey Phil - in Texas your effing ID is free! No costs. We will even drive your lazy ass to the DPS to get you your effing free ID!

Cost to the taxpayer, not cost to the ID-seeker. Please explain how this works. I live in California in the bay area. There is a Texas governmental division called the DPS that will drive me to Texas to get an ID for free? Will they drive me back? I assume DPS is paying for this drive. That is a ridiculous cost that will be passed on to the taxpayer. Does DPS do anything besides ferrying people around to get voter IDs? If not, that department should be eliminated.

Phil - I will personally drive you to get an ID if LetsRun foots the bill.

19th Amendment wrote:

Happens to be a fact that Texas voter ID laws do not accept student IDs. This goes for NC, TN, AZ, and a few others as well.

The Texas law did not address absentee votes.

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud

Voters going to the polls in Texas starting this week will have to show one of a few specific forms of photo ID under a controversial new law upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court over the weekend.

The Texas law — along with 15 other voter ID laws passed since 2010 — was billed as a way to prevent people from impersonating eligible voters at the polls.

But voter ID laws don’t address what appears to be a more common source of voter fraud: mail-in absentee ballots.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/

Debbie Devronica wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Why does that only apply to poor black and latino? You have poor whites, you have poor native-american, you have poor asian. Why does that article only focus on poor black and latino??? I would love to know.

Because they are the victim constituencies that can be used to further agendas.

thejeff wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

The problem is the $250 fee, not the voter ID law.

He has had four years. Four. Years.

And he has how much disposable income available to exercise his constitutional right?

Debbie Devronica wrote: Phil - I will personally drive you to get an ID if LetsRun foots the bill.

I already have five different IDs issued by the government and I believe three of them are unnecessary. Given the inevitable governmental creep, I foresee that if voter ID laws are passed, that I will be forced to get a sixth ID for no reason.

Debbie Devronica wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It's not that simple for everyone, Debbie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Why does that only apply to poor black and latino? You have poor whites, you have poor native-american, you have poor asian. Why does that article only focus on poor black and latino??? I would love to know.

I agree, while mentioning that black and hispanic persons are on average poorer than white people.

But the point remains, there are number of people that don't have the resources to get all these documents that are now required to exercise a right that is explicitly named in the constitution. And the intent of these laws has not been to stamp out signficant levels of voter fraud, but to limit the ability of the poor, of whom minorities disproportionately represent, from voting.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

thejeff wrote:

The problem is the $250 fee, not the voter ID law.

He has had four years. Four. Years.

And he has how much disposable income available to exercise his constitutional right?

What does the guy do? He collects welfare? He needs ID for that? What the heck has this guy been doing to not have an ID. He need to get a job or get welfare or unemployment - he needs IDs for all those. Is this guy illegal? Has to be.

Phil Fondacaro wrote:

Debbie Devronica wrote: Phil - I will personally drive you to get an ID if LetsRun foots the bill.

I already have five different IDs issued by the government and I believe three of them are unnecessary. Given the inevitable governmental creep, I foresee that if voter ID laws are passed, that I will be forced to get a sixth ID for no reason.

Phil - you have 5 IDs and none will work? Everyone I know have 1 and ALL work. You need to work on yourself Phil because you are not impressing anyone here.

You wouldn't even be able to travel if you didn't have a passport. You're telling me that there are adults in this country who doesn't go on vacation at least once every ten years (a passport is valid for that long)?

Given that you basically need to have a passport anyway, why not just show it at the voting booth?

Debbie Devronica wrote: Phil - you have 5 IDs and none will work? Everyone I know have 1 and ALL work. You need to work on yourself Phil because you are not impressing anyone here.

Are you just trolling? Of course I can vote with my driver's license. But once voter ID law is passed, there will inevitably be a voter specific ID required to vote. There is a cost to implement yet another redundant ID.

need a passport anyway wrote: You wouldn't even be able to travel if you didn't have a passport. You're telling me that there are adults in this country who doesn't go on vacation at least once every ten years (a passport is valid for that long)?

Why do you need a passport to go on vacation?