Can someone explain to me why voter ID laws are bad?

Maybe you are full of it because you are wrong. You can not use a tax return in most states. If states charge for IDs and are mandatory for voting it is a poll tax. However every election the BMV tries to charge people for IDs. Maybe accidental incompetence maybe a directive from the Republican governor.

Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem. There was never any widespread voter fraud. If it isn't politically motivated why are gun permits allowed but not college IDs in some states.

thejeff wrote:

How often are those voting lists purged?

Ten states were ordered to purge voter lists in 2008: The 10 states receiving Voting Section purge letters are Iowa, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Vermont.

Most are Republican states by population count. Most of of the votes cast were absentee that do not require IDs. The obvious answer is that both Democrats don't filter out some voters who can't vote for themselves, or are dead. But, Republicans have far more of those voters they want to keep voting for them.

Democrats want to steal elections.

They want to canvas the ghettos, pay 50 bucks a pop to get ignorant folks to vote Democrat.

Just so we're all on the same page, everyone understands it makes literally no fcking difference who wins, right? And therefore, who gives a sht if there is fraud that leads to the meaningless victory?

Most ridiculous thing ever. You need ID to do anything in US. Anyone not having an ID is one abusing the system. You need ID for welfare. You need ID for effing everything.

Devil Dog wrote:

Just so we're all on the same page, everyone understands it makes literally no fcking difference who wins, right? And therefore, who gives a sht if there is fraud that leads to the meaningless victory?

Lol.

I used to feel this way... right up until Obamacare ate up a fifth of my disposable income.

thejeff wrote:

Obamacare ate up a fifth of my disposable income.

What?!

It's a sad state of affairs that requiring an ID is considered some ridiculous burden on people. If you want to be a part of society, best to get an ID. But believe it or not 1.2 million TEXANS don't have the proper id to vote according to the NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/in-texas-fixing-voter-id-law-ruled-to-be-discriminatory-will-be-tricky-task.html

Having said that the court ruled the Texas lawmakers knew the law would affect minorities more than others and didn't do anything to ameloriate that so it was overturned. I think the court is saying the law should let you use some alternative form of id to prove who you are and to vote. That sounds reasonable. The courts didn't say you couldn't require some sort of ID.

Self-refutation wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Obamacare ate up a fifth of my disposable income.

What?!

My premiums nearly tripled. They became on par with my mortgage payment.

wejo wrote:

It's a sad state of affairs that requiring an ID is considered some ridiculous burden on people. If you want to be a part of society, best to get an ID. But believe it or not 1.2 million TEXANS don't have the proper id to vote according to the NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/in-texas-fixing-voter-id-law-ruled-to-be-discriminatory-will-be-tricky-task.html

Having said that the court ruled the Texas lawmakers knew the law would affect minorities more than others and didn't do anything to ameloriate that so it was overturned. I think the court is saying the law should let you use some alternative form of id to prove who you are and to vote. That sounds reasonable. The courts didn't say you couldn't require some sort of ID.

I forget which convention but it was an Democrat one and an ID was required. This honestly is the most ridiculous issue ever. In America you need and ID to do anything - to drive, to get liquor, to get your welfare checks, to do effing anything. Who doesn't have an ID? Is that person living in a cave? and if so, that person has no business voting.

thejeff wrote:

Self-refutation wrote:

What?!

My premiums nearly tripled. They became on par with my mortgage payment.

What in the F?

Debbie Devronica wrote:

... In America you need and ID to do anything - to drive, to get liquor, to get your welfare checks, to do effing anything. Who doesn't have an ID? Is that person living in a cave? and if so, that person has no business voting.

How about if you don't drive, drink, or 'get welfare'. What if the person recently moved to a new state for work or school? What if your license is suspended or just lost and you don't have the $50 to renew? This describes a not insignificant number of older citizens, college kids, and poor demos in cities with public transportation. If Wejo's stats are accurate, 1.2M in Texas alone. Why disenfranchise these people when there's no measurable voting risk to their enfranchisement?

19th Amendment wrote:

Debbie Devronica wrote:

... In America you need and ID to do anything - to drive, to get liquor, to get your welfare checks, to do effing anything. Who doesn't have an ID? Is that person living in a cave? and if so, that person has no business voting.

How about if you don't drive, drink, or 'get welfare'. What if the person recently moved to a new state for work or school? What if your license is suspended or just lost and you don't have the $50 to renew? This describes a not insignificant number of older citizens, college kids, and poor demos in cities with public transportation. If Wejo's stats are accurate, 1.2M in Texas alone. Why disenfranchise these people when there's no measurable voting risk to their enfranchisement?

Most of those 1.2M don't want to vote anyway or they'd get an ID.

19th Amendment wrote:

Debbie Devronica wrote:

... In America you need and ID to do anything - to drive, to get liquor, to get your welfare checks, to do effing anything. Who doesn't have an ID? Is that person living in a cave? and if so, that person has no business voting.

How about if you don't drive, drink, or 'get welfare'. What if the person recently moved to a new state for work or school? What if your license is suspended or just lost and you don't have the $50 to renew? This describes a not insignificant number of older citizens, college kids, and poor demos in cities with public transportation. If Wejo's stats are accurate, 1.2M in Texas alone. Why disenfranchise these people when there's no measurable voting risk to their enfranchisement?

I believe in Texas you can get a free ID. We give you a effing free ID. Do we have to wipe your azzes too? Get off your asses and get an ID id you wanna vote. If your license is suspended you can still get a government-issued ID. Are you guys fricking morons??? Can you not do anything without us wiping your butts? You all are pathetic.

If you in school you GET an ID! Sheesh.

I think I just entered idiot land. Anyone who can't easily get an ID nowadays has no business voting. Here in Texas we have people who will drive you to DPS to get you an effing ID.

19th Amendment wrote:

Debbie Devronica wrote:

... In America you need and ID to do anything - to drive, to get liquor, to get your welfare checks, to do effing anything. Who doesn't have an ID? Is that person living in a cave? and if so, that person has no business voting.

How about if you don't drive, drink, or 'get welfare'. What if the person recently moved to a new state for work or school? What if your license is suspended or just lost and you don't have the $50 to renew? This describes a not insignificant number of older citizens, college kids, and poor demos in cities with public transportation. If Wejo's stats are accurate, 1.2M in Texas alone. Why disenfranchise these people when there's no measurable voting risk to their enfranchisement?

Can you actually feed yourself?

I am against voter ID because of the cost involved. There is effectively no voter fraud.

Requiring voter ID is just going to lead to larger government for no good reason. Eventually every state would have a department for registering voters. You will get your driver's license from the DMV and your voting license from the DRV. Republicans are for smaller government. Requiring voter ID is the sort of wasteful governmental boondoggle that they should be against.

Happens to be a fact that Texas voter ID laws do not accept student IDs. This goes for NC, TN, AZ, and a few others as well.

Likewise, at least one state that rushed to pass Voter ID legislation then closed many DMV offices due to cost. Nearly all in rural counties or minority dense voting districts. Again, would the perception of these changes to the ordinary person be one of voter fraud prevention or disenfranchisement? Would seem to be fairly clear.