How do UK/USA women go sub 4 If Russian Women need to Dope to do it?

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7 years ago 07/22/2016 4:47pm EDT

re: pop_pop!_v2.2.1

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
agip wrote:
no proof of this whatsoever and would require a massive conspiracy of thousands of people with no whistleblowers turning up, but whatever
Yes, and what happens in Russia was/is the result of a single VERY busy person.

I don't understand your point. The russia situation was a conspiracy of many people. A few whistleblowers told the press about it.

If 'every' national federation delivering many elite int'l performances' had a drug program, then I suspect there would be a lot more whistleblowing going on. Esp in the richer nations. Hasn't happened.

You're just guessing, no?

7 years ago 07/22/2016 7:39pm EDT

re: 1000

1000 wrote:
Female athletes from the UK and the USA belong to a different human species than female athletes from Russia.

True, the Russians seem to have an endless supply of good looking women athletes.

Spectacular in many cases.

7 years ago 07/23/2016 3:06am EDT

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
agip wrote:
no proof of this whatsoever and would require a massive conspiracy of thousands of people with no whistleblowers turning up, but whatever
Well, that the US covered up over hundred doping tests did come out, but much later. So we might learn what happened ten years ago in ten years from now.
Do you think that's better now? Based on what observations? The stats don't show it imho. Doping coaches are still coaching our national teams, convicted drug cheats are still sent to the Olympics, and Nike is still sponsoring them. So we aren't vehemently opposed to dopers.
Remember that during the Cold War, we had well-documented state-sponsored doping in the Soviet Union and East Germany, and well-documented tolerated + encouraged doping in the US and West Germany. Don't know about the UK back then.
As a consequence, the Soviet Union and East Germany clearly outperformed the US and West Germany. Coincidence? I think not.
Now, we have well-documented state-sponsored doping in Russia, and what is happening in the US and Germany and UK? The US clearly outperformed Russia at the last summer Olympics, and the UK had fewer medals overall but more gold medals than Russia, despite being much smaller.
Last (Summer) Olympics before the Fall of the Iron Curtain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
Country: number of all medals
Soviet Union: 132
East Germany: 102
United States: 94
West Germany: 40
...
Great Britain: 24
Most recent (Summer) Olympics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
United States: 103
China: 88
Russia: 79
Great Britain: 65 (but more gold medals than Russia)
Germany: 44
Or look at the relative changes in total medal count from 1988 to 2012:
Great Britain: +170%
United States: +10%
Germany: +10% relative to the West and -70% relative to West + East
Russia: -40% relative to the Soviet Union
Note the population changes. Soviet Union, 1988: 280 million; Russia, 2012: 140 million.
Also roughly West Germany 60 million, East Germany 20 million, UK 60 million.
Factoring in these numbers, the performances of Russia and the US barely changed between 1988 and 2012, while Germany dropped a lot, and the UK went up crazy. (East) Germany's example shows how advantageous systematic doping is, the performances of Russia and the US imply that nothing has changed compared to '88, and the UK, well, apparently they were clean(er) in 88 and dirty (dirtier) in 2012, and also dirtier (more successful) than Russia in 2012.

Oh my. How much caffeine have you had today?

In summary:

1) Australia and New Zealand are the cleanest countries. Have they ever had any major track doping Debaclesâ„¢? Canada also has a good recordâ€¦but is boring.

2) Laura Muir (Scottish) with a new 3:57.49 PR and BRITISH record is a real medal threat for the Olympics.

Laura absolutely destroyed Sifan Hassan (managed by Jos Hermens from The Netherlands. That is too bad for Jos.).

The rest of the world better watch out for Laura Muir.

Oh yea.

7 years ago 07/23/2016 4:29am EDT

re: Please.Stop.It.Brits.Really???

Elite British athletes don't get caught by UKAD. (In fact, hardly any athletes get caught at all by UKAD).

Either British athletes are exceptionally clean, or UKAD is not very good at getting positives from British athletes. I honestly don't know which it is, but those are the only two options.

7 years ago 07/23/2016 4:53am EDT

re: cleans

cleans wrote:
Elite British athletes don't get caught by UKAD. (In fact, hardly any athletes get caught at all by UKAD).
Either British athletes are exceptionally clean, or UKAD is not very good at getting positives from British athletes. I honestly don't know which it is, but those are the only two options.

The same is true for the Russian ADA.

And the Brits started to perform as well as or even better than the Russian in the past decade, though they couldn't keep up at all before.

Further, UKAD reduced the number of tests leading up to the last Olympics, you know, just in case, I mean coincidentally. They also accepted Mo's 1 hour doorbell/phone excuse, and ignored Dr. Bonar, and the presidents of WADA and IAAF are British.

Oh boy. Did I I forget something, rjm?

7 years ago 07/23/2016 4:56am EDT

re: cleans

cleans wrote:
Elite British athletes don't get caught by UKAD. (In fact, hardly any athletes get caught at all by UKAD).
Either British athletes are exceptionally clean, or UKAD is not very good at getting positives from British athletes. I honestly don't know which it is, but those are the only two options.

Are you saying that UKAD is a bunch of incompetent liars constantly making 'ghastly' mistakes that scare people? I might agree with you if you are saying that.

How many positive tests have they had recently on track and field athletes?

Was the total number of positive tests between 0 and 1â€¦or between 0 and 0?

7 years ago 07/23/2016 5:10am EDT

re: casual obsever

casual obsever wrote:
cleans wrote:
Elite British athletes don't get caught by UKAD. (In fact, hardly any athletes get caught at all by UKAD).
Either British athletes are exceptionally clean, or UKAD is not very good at getting positives from British athletes. I honestly don't know which it is, but those are the only two options.
The same is true for the Russian ADA.
And the Brits started to perform as well as or even better than the Russian in the past decade, though they couldn't keep up at all before.
Further, UKAD reduced the number of tests leading up to the last Olympics, you know, just in case, I mean coincidentally. They also accepted Mo's 1 hour doorbell/phone excuse, and ignored Dr. Bonar, and the presidents of WADA and IAAF are British.
Oh boy. Did I I forget something, rjm?

Yes.

Here is something important:

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=78972

I was shocked at the news.

7 years ago 07/23/2016 5:39am EDT

re: ukathleticscoach

Ooh sub 4, that's unbelievebly fast isn't it?

Superhuman for a mere woman. Not possible without shed loads of drugs drugs and more drugs.

Everyone knows that don' they?

Anyone who says all of the PED nonsense is BS has to be crazy right?

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