If Russia can hide 580 positives are you naive enough to think that USA is clean?

Torta Con Al Pastor wrote:

If they found them, they were not hidden.

INCORRECT!

If they were SUCCESSFULLY hidden PERMANENTLY then they would not be found. The mere fact that they were hidden does not preclude them from being found.

For you, my little simpleton, think Easter Eggs.

Mama knows best wrote:

Where have you been? They hid at least 580. That is what the investigation discovered.

Only Counting NFL, NHL, NBA and MLB juiced athletes, we are in the thousands...

Torta Con Al Pastor wrote:

If they found them, they were not hidden.

Have you ever played hide and seek? Were you ever the person who hid? I guess not, because if you were actually hidden, you'd stay out there until you starved to death, instead of posting stupid things on Letsrun. Because if you were hidden, they never would have found you.

That is always why pirates always died broke, they kept hiding their gold. Once that gold was hidden, it was gone to the world forever. For some reason they just didn't get it and kept hiding their gold.

Remember Anne Frank? She wasn't actually killed by the naxis, she just made the mistake of hiding in a cupboard and slowly wasted away, regretting her choice to hide.

jeff tallon wrote:

overall i think USa has a serious ped problem,not just at elite leval,but also in the top ncaa leval.

I agree that there is a serious PED problem in this country; however I would not limit it to professionals and NCAA athletes. There's an American culture of bigger faster stronger better and non-aging by whatever means necessary. High school athletes secretly took pre-game amphetamines and the few steriods available back when I was in school. Now that I'm old and broken down, I am shocked at the number of older runners, triathletes and regular guys at the gym who are on unneeded testosterone and HGH and worse. They have a little bit of money now and they use it to convince themselves they are not getting older and will never die.

The IAAF, IOC, and WADA have always tolerated doping to some extent.

Dopers are found in every country, but those organization are fine with it so long as they can maintain the perception of relative purity and fairness within their organizations.

It's a gentlemen's agreement of sorts. The international sports organizations don't want to spoil the money train, so there's some winking and nodding going on, letting the more modest transgressions slide, to a point.

But with Russia, something different happened. There were the exposes from the German media. There were whistleblowers from within Russia, and even within the IAAF, etc. It was no longer something that could be winked at, because what Russia did embarrassed and humiliated those international organizations. They took it too far, got too brazen. Therefore, they got the hammer unleashed on them.

Meanwhile, China's state doping program is probably just as organized as Russia's, but you won't see any scandals there. Unlike the Russians, the Chinese have avoided being too blatant. The US doesn't have a state-sponsored program; doping is handled by individuals and private training groups, and they can be hammered down if they are caught.

The summary: Russia's sports machine was stupid. On a smaller scale, some African nations are also being stupid and will get smacked if they persist. The sports machines of the US, China, Western Europe, etc. are smart and are probably safe for now...unless, of course, some whistleblowers come forth with evidence as damning as the Russian stuff.

In Soviet Russia, you don't hide positive results, positive results hide you.

The USA did it in 1984. They also tried to disappear Mary Slaney's bust until a whistleblowers leaked her positive.

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Biggest difference between USA and Russia that I think most of you who have been raised in freedom and capitalism cannot grasp is that Russia is not a free country, it's state controlled, chauvinistic country not much different from their predecessor Soviet Union. For a country where all the media is controlled and people are constantly being fed with lies and propaganda about external enemies it is crucial to render them stronger than their so called "enemies". For such a political system as one in Russia sports are just another tool for feeding masses with propaganda and this means that the entire sports system is run by government just like it was 50 years ago in USSR.

With USA it's much different. USA is a proud but it's not chauvinistic country so they don't need a state controlled doping system to render them great. Also your college and university sports system is so much ahead both in financial and organizational terms of that in the Russia so by default it's producing much more talented people just like that. I was born in Soviet Union and ""

utter B.S from start to finish .

you can all believe what you want but the western media's lies

are getting worse and worse and fascist by the day.

you believe this rubbish story of holes in the wall ................

and russians and putin have given up trying to call out these lies

as just more appear ,

why is it in there interest if governments in west lie to its citizens

now that west and nato try every trick to isolate it and push them to war.

the west is broke if didnt notice and not just financial ,morally and religiously

etc and war is great way to hide this and start a fresh.

Also for the record those russians hooligans at euros ,

were actually ukrainian ultras shipped into marseile by boat via ex mossad

purely to increase police numbers and make russians look bad.

again media lies .

Countries like Russia and China need state sponsored doping because most athletes there are not wealthy and have no connections, they live off a government allowance every month. If they get a medal in competition they might get a new car, some money, and in some cases an apartment of their own. On the other hand athletes in America are better off Financially and have top tier private training groups to rely on. Why else do a lot of foreign athletes train in USA during off season or even in season ? USA is the biggest doping country in the world

is that some sort of commie haiku?

aduck2002 wrote:

utter B.S from start to finish .

you can all believe what you want but the western media's lies

are getting worse and worse and fascist by the day.

you believe this rubbish story of holes in the wall ................

and russians and putin have given up trying to call out these lies

as just more appear ,

why is it in there interest if governments in west lie to its citizens

now that west and nato try every trick to isolate it and push them to war.

the west is broke if didnt notice and not just financial ,morally and religiously

etc and war is great way to hide this and start a fresh.

Also for the record those russians hooligans at euros ,

were actually ukrainian ultras shipped into marseile by boat via ex mossad

purely to increase police numbers and make russians look bad.

again media lies .

Funny NOT funny wrote:

It is humorous how Americans believe that doping is only done by foreigners.

Americans seem to be fairly realistic about doping by their own athletes, it's the Brits that tend to accuse others of cheating their pure and clean athletes out of the medals.

I am not talking about Radcliffe, that discussion went off the rails long ago.

Funny NOT funny wrote:

It is humorous how Americans believe that doping is only done by foreigners.

I don't think anyone believes doping is only done by foreigners, but I seriously doubt the U.S. Federal Government is involved. In fact, the U.S. doesn't even have a true national team per se, our USOT is collection of athletes who come together to form national teams for a few global events. Once those events are over, everybody goes their separate way. Our government does not play a role in sports, the USATF, the National Training Center and the USOC for example, provide their own funding. And USADA has busted some of America's highest profile athletes, in fact, over 95% of the U.S. athletes who have been busted were caught by USADA. Tyson Gay for example would not have been busted if there were cover ups.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Mama knows best wrote:

Where have you been? They hid at least 580. That is what the investigation discovered.

Only Counting NFL, NHL, NBA and MLB juiced athletes, we are in the thousands...

Are those athletes tested by WADA? No football or baseball (now) in the Olympics. For hockey and basketball the best players in the world all play in the NHL and NBA so I would assume the playing field is level, but who knows. How strict does WADA test them during the Olympics or does IOC not really care because of the big money and popularity in the games?

Sdfssdsdfsdfzsf wrote:

The 5000m runner is a win at all costs kind of girl and she has done some things I know about to make me have some doubt on her morals.

Point is, I have a tiny bit of insight and honestly believe we have both clean and dirty American olympians.

Current 5000m Olympian?!

F**K off!! You can't prove any of your allegations. WADA commission proved Russia is dirty as hell. They will now suffer.

Paula was cleared of doping allegations:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-iaaf-paula-radcliffe-doping-20151127-story.html

Going all the way back to the top, I don't think there are many (hardly any) people on Letsrun that do not think quite a few American Olympians are doping.

The main reason we may not think it's as "systematic" as in a nation like Russia is because we don't have a centralized system.

arte wrote:

Americans seem to be fairly realistic about doping by their own athletes...

Except most of the white ones. Letsrun readers, being mostly white, seem to feel that white runners must be clean. I mean, white people get pulled over by cops way less than black people, ergo they are more honest and law abiding, right guys?

TrackCoach wrote:

Funny NOT funny wrote:

It is humorous how Americans believe that doping is only done by foreigners.

And USADA has busted some of America's highest profile athletes, in fact, over 95% of the U.S. athletes who have been busted were caught by USADA. Tyson Gay for example would not have been busted if there were cover ups.

two words: Wade Exum