Is my coach coaching my XC team the right way?

Arizona too wrote:

I live in arizona too, im in Tempe. This was NOT a speed workout, this was a tempo aerobic based workout. My guess is your coach is doing that at that pace and as the season goes it will get a little faster this is xc, an aerobic event. You likely will not do speed workout (except maybe strides) until late Sept. Yes, that is right

As my coach says when i go to fast on an aerobic day, that was your fastest one or that was your last one. Your choice

Same man. You go to Corona?

You seem like the kid who came to every practice in highschool but still ran a 21. This kid's problems and questions are valid, unlike most teenagers' posts. You win practice when you give the correct amount of effort, which this kid was trying to do.

Maybe, just maybe, your coach was hoping his top guys would show some leadership skills and run the workout with the slower guys. He could of been thinking that maybe the leaders would lead by showing the slower guys that they can run with them. If the faster guys slowly push the pass the slower guys gradually get dragged into running better workouts and get better. A few workouts like this might build up the slow guys confidence and they may decide to push themselves versus giving up because they know they can not keep up with the leaders.

It is early in the season. Running a ladder work out starting with a mile is more about threshold pace than race pace. You may be right where you could get more out of running the workout faster than your team. You might be surprised though and find a third person as good as you and your friend.

Just run the workouts. Use your extra energy on your leadership skills and build the other guys up. If you feel you need to do more ask the coach if you can do a few more reps. Maybe the slow guys on your team will follow your lead and improve.

Have you gotten your idiot coach fired yet?

You need to relax.you know nothing you smart mouth punk. Quit the team you little snot if you think the coach knows nothing.

XC training is about improving aerobic capacity and his workout did that. Get 10 coaches to give you a workout plan and you will get 10 different plans. There is no definitive correct plan.

PissedOffRunner wrote:

Meh wrote:

Quit the team. No more coaching problems for you and coach gets rid of a huge headache whiny athlete. 51/2:00 guys are a dime a dozen.

Really? A dime a dozen? I was our 2nd best 800 runner and 2nd best 400 runner. Keep in mind I'm a sophomore.

Coach is making a big mistake.

He should correct it by kicking you off the team. Grow up!

No you weren't wrote:

You were the best guy out there, eh?

Did someone hand out medals after the workout? Do you get a better lane for the next workout because of your win?

Shut up and do what your coach asks of you. You were not the best guy out there because you didnt run the workout. YOU CANT WIN PRACTICE.

Spoken like a true loser! The kid is right. Every practice I ever ran I tried to be the best and eventually i was the best. Coaches are not always right.

My only issue with the kid is that he didn't at least try and explain his position to his coach and get the coaches reasoning. Instead, he came on lets run to cry like a B about his coach. But as far as the going out together garbage, I agree with the kid 100%. Watch flotrack team workouts and you always see a couple people ahead of the pack. Cream rises to the top and no one should force it not to.

PissedOffRunner wrote:

Meh wrote:

Quit the team. No more coaching problems for you and coach gets rid of a huge headache whiny athlete. 51/2:00 guys are a dime a dozen.

Really? A dime a dozen? I was our 2nd best 800 runner and 2nd best 400 runner. Keep in mind I'm a sophomore.

Yes, you are a dime a dozen. There were over 3,000 high school athletes who ran faster than 2:00, last season alone and then about another 1,000 that ran between 2:00-2:01. Your coach is right, stop bitching and do what is best for the team. It is XC season, not track.

After doing one season of XC my senior year of high school as the top runner on the team, I felt the same thing you're going through. Although my coach and teammates weren't a bunch of fags like yours seem to be. My team (which was really young at the time) seemed to rather admire and take on my work ethic, and got top 10 in the state the next year, after not even making it out of the district meet the previous year. All in all, lead the pack in workouts, but don't push it too hard just to show off. There is value in taking workouts and training runs easier this time of year, plus you're going to look like a huge jackass if you over train and/or injure yourself later in the year by running too hard now.

I FEEEEELLLL the same way we did a interval yesterday 2 miles medium two miles fast and my team goes out at 7:30 pace that is slower than my recovery!!! My coach says stay in a pack. I was mad then on the way back I book it because it is supposed to be speed and I go 5:12 4:56 last 2 miles absolutely insane I was feeling livid finished 2 and a half minutes before everyone else and then I got yelled at by my teamates and coach for 10 minutes I know how you feel all I want to do is get better but coach is holding me back

JackHa wrote:

I FEEEEELLLL the same way we did a interval yesterday 2 miles medium two miles fast and my team goes out at 7:30 pace that is slower than my recovery!!! My coach says stay in a pack. I was mad then on the way back I book it because it is supposed to be speed and I go 5:12 4:56 last 2 miles absolutely insane I was feeling livid finished 2 and a half minutes before everyone else and then I got yelled at by my teamates and coach for 10 minutes I know how you feel all I want to do is get better but coach is holding me back

Didn't happen.

Run Doctor wrote:

Coach is making a big mistake.

He should correct it by kicking you off the team. Grow up!

Great idea. Kick off somebody who is putting in 110% effort every single day to become a better runner. I'll admit I'm only doing XC for track purposes but still I'm doing everything I can to get faster.

born loser wrote:

Spoken like a true loser! The kid is right. Every practice I ever ran I tried to be the best and eventually i was the best. Coaches are not always right.

My only issue with the kid is that he didn't at least try and explain his position to his coach and get the coaches reasoning. Instead, he came on lets run to cry like a B about his coach. But as far as the going out together garbage, I agree with the kid 100%. Watch flotrack team workouts and you always see a couple people ahead of the pack. Cream rises to the top and no one should force it not to.

Okay maybe I did come on letsrun like a p*ssy but I also didn't want to upset my coach. It's also my first time doing XC and I didn't know if this was normal or not. But yeah thanks for agreeing with me for the most part. Things are a little bit better now.

Kuwabara wrote:

Yes, you are a dime a dozen. There were over 3,000 high school athletes who ran faster than 2:00, last season alone and then about another 1,000 that ran between 2:00-2:01. Your coach is right, stop bitching and do what is best for the team. It is XC season, not track.

Really? It doesn't matter who f*cking runs a 2:00-2:01 in the entire country I was our second best 800m runner and 2nd best 400m runner AT MY SCHOOL. My coaches could care less about where I rank in the country they need the best talent they can get on their track team so we have a shot at winning state. I was also only a sophomore so I really don't understand why you're comparing me to thousands of runners across the entire country.

Harambieber wrote:

After doing one season of XC my senior year of high school as the top runner on the team, I felt the same thing you're going through. Although my coach and teammates weren't a bunch of fags like yours seem to be. My team (which was really young at the time) seemed to rather admire and take on my work ethic, and got top 10 in the state the next year, after not even making it out of the district meet the previous year. All in all, lead the pack in workouts, but don't push it too hard just to show off. There is value in taking workouts and training runs easier this time of year, plus you're going to look like a huge jackass if you over train and/or injure yourself later in the year by running too hard now.

These are some good points. Thanks. They're not fags haha it's just that none of them are competitive and none of them really wanna get any better. To them it feels like a club at school where you just go to have fun and run. I can't stand it.

JackHa wrote:

I FEEEEELLLL the same way we did a interval yesterday 2 miles medium two miles fast and my team goes out at 7:30 pace that is slower than my recovery!!! My coach says stay in a pack. I was mad then on the way back I book it because it is supposed to be speed and I go 5:12 4:56 last 2 miles absolutely insane I was feeling livid finished 2 and a half minutes before everyone else and then I got yelled at by my teamates and coach for 10 minutes I know how you feel all I want to do is get better but coach is holding me back

Just do you man that's all I can say. If your team is going too slow go faster and don't be scared of pissing off the coach. He'll understand eventually. And if he doesn't understand then he shouldn't be coaching anyways.

We have some kid who admits that he has never done XC before bitching about his coach and many of you are supporting him?

I shake my head.

what would happen if a college kid on scholarship openly challenged their coach?

This kid needs to learn to keep his mouth shut because these are life lessons

Ironic wrote:

We have some kid who admits that he has never done XC before bitching about his coach and many of you are supporting him?

I shake my head.

what would happen if a college kid on scholarship openly challenged their coach?

This kid needs to learn to keep his mouth shut because these are life lessons

Our school is the biggest school in the state with over 4,000 kids and last year our team didn't even qualify for state. With #'s that big the team should be doing a lot better.

Have you met with your coach outside of practice yet?