Alysia Montano - the bottom line!

Was in the protest room wrote:

If Mintano's knee could have caused then Martinez would have tripped herself before her left foot reaches behind her right leg to hit Montano's left knee. Montano is in lane 2 Martinez is in lane 1

I think you need to watch the race again...https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/750130824977100801

That USA video repeat shows clearly that Martinez was nearly beside Wilson, and could not have clipped Rodgers, with her leg swinging "outward" whatever that means. Plus Martinez stated she was clipped from behind, not the side.

Montano not only clipped Martinez, but then continued clipping her several more times and then pushed her. The initial contact, and the chain reaction were all caused by Montano, who was totally wrong in trying to push through the others.

Martinez has a characteristic outward circling of her foot when running. It's a weakness in the internal hip adductor. Which could be fixed with weight training but Martinez has said in interviews she does not do. That picture def has great timing to show it starts in her left leg not the right.

Montano could not have clipped Martinez' left foot by being to her right in lane 2. Montano would have to be directly behind Martinez. The calm in Montano's face also doesn't show being kicked by a spike.

Weight coach wrote:

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

This photo taken a stride later, proves that Montano clipped Martinez.

None of the others were affected at this point.

You can see Rogers' right leg was in the path of Martinez' left leg coming forward. Rogers and Martinez are extremely close. Montano is to the right and behind nowhere near Martinez' left leg

I think it's ridiculous that she was flipping out like a child throwing a temper tantrum, while Martinez, who has NOT already made an Olympic team in the past, was pretty bummed but also pretty reasonable, realistic, and chill about things. She also kept running and finished the race - I'm actually insanely impressed that she still ran 2:06 after getting tripped up like that going at almost full speed. But with Montano, that has to have been the most overly selfish moment I've seen in track and field in a long time. I mean, I'd surely be pissed if I were in that position but I wouldn't be a sore loser about it. It happens.

Uceny, for example, had a very justified reason to flip out from falling in the London Olympic final given that she was a big medal threat and fell in the final the year before as well. Montano wasn't even a 100% lock for the team anyways.

This photo shows the stride after contact, but we can infer what happened from this. First of all, their right feet are only inches apart in respect to the line.

By Montano stepping on Martinez` left foot, this would have caused her next step and momentum to come inward for balance, at least making up for the few inches difference. Thus, this photo is in line with the other evidence that Montano caused the initial contact, and the chain reaction.

It would additionally help to see the photos before this one.

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

As others have said, only Martinez' was affected by the initial contact, which all the evidence is showing was caused by Montano.

You can see Rogers' right leg was in the path of Martinez' left leg coming forward. Rogers and Martinez are extremely close. Montano is to the right and behind nowhere near Martinez' left leg

If Martinez's left leg made contact with Rogers first, Rogers would have felt it. If she felt it, she would have mentioned it. She did not mention it when she talked about all this in her interview.

All she mentioned was Montano grabbing her.

800 competitor wrote:

This photo shows the stride after contact, but we can infer what happened from this. First of all, their right feet are only inches apart in respect to the line.

By Montano stepping on Martinez` left foot, this would have caused her next step and momentum to come inward for balance, at least making up for the few inches difference. Thus, this photo is in line with the other evidence that Montano caused the initial contact, and the chain reaction.

It would additionally help to see the photos before this one.

https://twitter.com/mountainpsg/status/750863552534110212

What are you talking about? Look at the photo again. Does it look more likely that Martinez' left foot was hit by Rogers or Montano? Think of horses, not Zebras.

3:25.99 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtv5__LNiF8

If Martinez's left leg made contact with Rogers first, Rogers would have felt it. If she felt it, she would have mentioned it. She did not mention it when she talked about all this in her interview.

All she mentioned was Montano grabbing her.

If Martinez's left leg made contact with Montano first, Montano would have felt it. If she felt it, she would have mentioned it. She did not mention it when she talked about all this in her interview.

Kinda interesting that all 6 of them are pushing off their right foot at that moment. Their foot cycles are within like 5% of the same phase.

The Original Poster wrote:

3:25.99 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtv5__LNiF8

If Martinez's left leg made contact with Rogers first, Rogers would have felt it. If she felt it, she would have mentioned it. She did not mention it when she talked about all this in her interview.

All she mentioned was Montano grabbing her.

If Martinez's left leg made contact with Montano first, Montano would have felt it. If she felt it, she would have mentioned it. She did not mention it when she talked about all this in her interview.

Montano would never admit her guilt.

dbfoen wrote:

we shouldnt criticize alysia too much - she clearly had a mental breakdown

A mental brakedown is a possibility, and perhaps the only way to describe and explain what she did after falling. She lost all control. Had a hard time standing up.

I believe a person with any mental control would have realized what they were doing and forced themselves to control their emotions, settle down and act professionally.

But perhaps she runs the 800 primarily on not just hate, but pure emotion.

The Original Poster wrote:

What are you talking about? Look at the photo again. Does it look more likely that Martinez' left foot was hit by Rogers or Montano? Think of horses, not Zebras.

Martinez' left foot was stepped on by Montano's left foot, the runner immediately behind her.

As I said on another thread:

Even if Martinez were at fault for jostling or obstructing and were DQed, Montano did not "complete the event with bona fide effort" as required by the rule. If Montano had made a bona fide effort to complete the race, it would not have taken her an additional minute to reach the finish line.

You can't re-run a race for the benefit of a DQed runner or for someone who did not complete the even with bona fide effort.