the well has run dry wrote:
It only takes a few days for EPO to pass through the system. Her pre-race dosage is just coming up short. Doesn't have that endurance
How much was the pre-race dosage and when?
Thanks in advance
the well has run dry wrote:
It only takes a few days for EPO to pass through the system. Her pre-race dosage is just coming up short. Doesn't have that endurance
How much was the pre-race dosage and when?
Thanks in advance
doot doot wrote:
Coach H wrote:Can't be tested if you DNF.. She can't risk failing any test before the Olympic Games!
Is this true? I asked in another thread and never got a straight answer.
Aside from that question, we have all read that she was tested on the day Jama's place was raided--so presumably her data is already being analyzed.
But trying to make assessments about whether or not she really has an injury or not, or is trying to duck competition--none of that speculation adds up for me. If she was really trying to hide she would not have shown up there.
We just don't have enough information and--sadly--probably NEVER will.
What about her biological passport? Why not make that available?
This is what flagged Radcliffe.
love how you guys forget salazar
Mo will be the next "fainter" or DNF at the Olympics. Watch.
I wonder if she might just be injured (someone had to say it).
NOP Skeptic wrote:
Red Blood Cells wrote:http://www.marca.com/atletismo/2016/07/01/5775ae3b268e3e57178b4646.htmlThe first thing I thought of was this sounds similar to the story about Hicham El Guerrouj almost dying after a race because his blood was so thick it could barely get through his veins. Might have a similar case here.
Apparently nobody saw the video posted earlier and also above where Genzebe Dibaba clearly started limping on one leg after she got out of the wheelchair
It had already been rumored she had a previous injury, she just wasn't completely over it
Hopefully she can get it situated and run in a race to get the Ethiopian Federation to pick her
looking at this video she may have an achilles tendon injury
http://www.marca.com/atletismo/2016/07/01/5775ae3b268e3e57178b4646.htmlgeez guys - they've been saying she has a toe injury for many months now. This could be the same one, not healed.
https://twitter.com/nikepreclassic/status/735239740388040704
agip wrote:
geez guys - they've been saying she has a toe injury for many months now. This could be the same one, not healed.
Because a toe injury precipitates a ridiculously dramatic bonk in a 5K?!
https://twitter.com/nikepreclassic/status/735239740388040704
I am as skeptical of Dibaba as most other people here.
However, I can't help but wonder if this isn't at least a bit stress-related. Whether or not you are yourself cheating, having your coach get busted in such a dramatic raid like this, when you are the new standard-bearer of the fastest family in one of the fastest countries in the world, cannot be easy. That takes a toll on anyone, and is surely enough to make 14.30 pace start to feel much tougher than it should.
Just my two cents. Doesn't mean she isn't cheating (or that she is). It's just worth wielding Occam's razor every once in a while.
i agree with spencer wrote:
i have strained my hammys 3 times and pulled it bad twice.
i can tell you the strains hurt very bad, cramped and i rolled around in pain after trying to quickly slow down but not as fast and blake did
when i pulled my hammy it locked up when my heel touched my but, and then when my foot needed to come down for the next stride it couldnt....so i ate some serious shit and did a few somersaults and it was extreme pain, cramping and the muscle was twitching super bad and i made exorcist sounding screams of pain.
what blake did was not a a strain or pull, it was "shit im loosing i will toss in the towel with a fake injury"
There's another video somewhere (I think rojo posted it sometime previously) of that injury ... find and watch it. It's grotesque.
speedmaker1 wrote:
love how you guys forget salazar
Who is forgetting Salazar? We just happen to be talking about Aden. I think most of us want ALL the cheats caught, whomever they are.
There aren't a lot of details on what exactly happened, so this is not my explanation for what happened, just something to consider in these kinds of situations.
A sophisticated blood doping course is not just EPO. It is a combination of EPO, masking agents, blood thinners, and other tweaks like iron supplements and hydration. One thing the "EPO doesn't work on elite Kenyan blood" argument fails to account for are the blood thinners used to keep the body normalized to higher HGB and HCT. The cyclist getting up at midnight to keep their heart rate from dropping were early adopters and still learning how EPO could be combined with other medications. Dopers now have the knowledge to be more precise.
With the Biopassport, blood thinners are used to keep everything in check. It is well documented that athletes saw the ABP as a tool to guide their doping, they now knew how to dial in their ranges to appear normal as would be seen by the software. And they could easily "dial it in" by manipulating hydration or taking thinners if their HGB or HCT got too high. Even saline drips have been shown to be used and discussed as a tool.
I have a race tomorrow and I am going for a sub 9:50 3k. I recently ran a 3k in 10:01 but I have run a 3k in 9:55 before. Their is another guy in the race who has beaten this barrier several times but he normally goes out very fast (68). Should I run right behind for the first lap or just stay a couple seconds back? Another option I guess could be go through in 71-73 and stay nearby him? Any advice for pacing through the race to beat this barrier?
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7121895&page=4#ixzz4DC2O8Vgi
U r 1 dumb MF
WHy would Mo Farah get a life ban 4 ?
Clerk wrote:
There aren't a lot of details on what exactly happened, so this is not my explanation for what happened, just something to consider in these kinds of situations.
A sophisticated blood doping course is not just EPO. It is a combination of EPO, masking agents, blood thinners, and other tweaks like iron supplements and hydration. One thing the "EPO doesn't work on elite Kenyan blood" argument fails to account for are the blood thinners used to keep the body normalized to higher HGB and HCT. The cyclist getting up at midnight to keep their heart rate from dropping were early adopters and still learning how EPO could be combined with other medications. Dopers now have the knowledge to be more precise.
With the Biopassport, blood thinners are used to keep everything in check. It is well documented that athletes saw the ABP as a tool to guide their doping, they now knew how to dial in their ranges to appear normal as would be seen by the software. And they could easily "dial it in" by manipulating hydration or taking thinners if their HGB or HCT got too high. Even saline drips have been shown to be used and discussed as a tool.
Interesting thoughts. The part about all this that doesn't add up for me is the contrast between the sort of sophistication you suggest, and the middle-school incompetence of Aden's behavior, such as strolling around and dropping evidence in various trash cans. I guess it's possible that one person could be intelligently devious one day and then careless the next, but the inconsistency is a bit difficult for me to grasp. Perhaps we are at a watershed moment where people like Aden, who until recently could blithely go about their business with relative impunity, will now get caught. I'd like to think that. Being a realist, I am skeptical.
ValsFrisse wrote:
Clerk wrote:There aren't a lot of details on what exactly happened, so this is not my explanation for what happened, just something to consider in these kinds of situations.
A sophisticated blood doping course is not just EPO. It is a combination of EPO, masking agents, blood thinners, and other tweaks like iron supplements and hydration. One thing the "EPO doesn't work on elite Kenyan blood" argument fails to account for are the blood thinners used to keep the body normalized to higher HGB and HCT. The cyclist getting up at midnight to keep their heart rate from dropping were early adopters and still learning how EPO could be combined with other medications. Dopers now have the knowledge to be more precise.
With the Biopassport, blood thinners are used to keep everything in check. It is well documented that athletes saw the ABP as a tool to guide their doping, they now knew how to dial in their ranges to appear normal as would be seen by the software. And they could easily "dial it in" by manipulating hydration or taking thinners if their HGB or HCT got too high. Even saline drips have been shown to be used and discussed as a tool.
Interesting thoughts. The part about all this that doesn't add up for me is the contrast between the sort of sophistication you suggest, and the middle-school incompetence of Aden's behavior, such as strolling around and dropping evidence in various trash cans. I guess it's possible that one person could be intelligently devious one day and then careless the next, but the inconsistency is a bit difficult for me to grasp. Perhaps we are at a watershed moment where people like Aden, who until recently could blithely go about their business with relative impunity, will now get caught. I'd like to think that. Being a realist, I am skeptical.
You don't believe he was doping athletes or you can't believe the brazenness/boldness of his storage and disposal routine?
Seriously what doesn't add up about a coach who felt like he was "too big to fail"--- whether it was pure ego or systemic, or some combination of both that came crumbling down?
she said she had a broken tow, no?
biblicalguy wrote:
NOP Skeptic wrote:http://www.marca.com/atletismo/2016/07/01/5775ae3b268e3e57178b4646.htmlApparently nobody saw the video posted earlier and also above where Genzebe Dibaba clearly started limping on one leg after she got out of the wheelchair
It had already been rumored she had a previous injury, she just wasn't completely over it
Hopefully she can get it situated and run in a race to get the Ethiopian Federation to pick her
looking at this video she may have an achilles tendon injury
http://www.marca.com/atletismo/2016/07/01/5775ae3b268e3e57178b4646.html
doot doot wrote:
ValsFrisse wrote:Interesting thoughts. The part about all this that doesn't add up for me is the contrast between the sort of sophistication you suggest, and the middle-school incompetence of Aden's behavior, such as strolling around and dropping evidence in various trash cans. I guess it's possible that one person could be intelligently devious one day and then careless the next, but the inconsistency is a bit difficult for me to grasp. Perhaps we are at a watershed moment where people like Aden, who until recently could blithely go about their business with relative impunity, will now get caught. I'd like to think that. Being a realist, I am skeptical.
You don't believe he was doping athletes or you can't believe the brazenness/boldness of his storage and disposal routine?
Seriously what doesn't add up about a coach who felt like he was "too big to fail"--- whether it was pure ego or systemic, or some combination of both that came crumbling down?
Oh I DEFINITELY believe he was doping. I guess I am just having a hard time imagining the brazenness of it all--yes what you call the "too big to fail"mentality. I suppose in a sport where Diack was hitting people up for bribes, we should be surprised by nothing.
Aden's carelessness is fact; we know how he got caught. Aden's success is fact also, with the implication that he went years as the most successful doping coach. That these two could occur in the same person is not deniable.
How they coexist is up for debate, depending on your level of skepticism. Were the dumpster drop offs a one-off laziness? Or arrogance after years of not getting caught? I believe that his behavior was just typical and what he'd been doing all seasons before, just that no one was looking before. A hotel used by US postal was found with used bags in the dumpster; Jon Vaughters was notorious for leaving a shared apartment with medical waste after he left; USADA called them the most sophisticated doping program in history.
The bar is so low for the secrecy required to pull of program-wide doping. IAAF corruption, WADA incompetence, and NADO complacency are all pieces that make it possible for the one observed episode of Aden's "carelessness" to be typical habit for years