I will only bandit if pacing a friend. The chip timing even helps this, in that I can run through the finish and not record a time. Been offered medals at a couple marathons but did not accept them.
I will only bandit if pacing a friend. The chip timing even helps this, in that I can run through the finish and not record a time. Been offered medals at a couple marathons but did not accept them.
If the race does not offer prize money to the winners, you should always bandit. F the greedy.
So if you don't WANT to pay $100 for a steak dinner, you just walk out?
I can't believe you idiots comparing bandits to those sneaking in to an NFL game or dining and dashing. It's more like going to hang out at a bar and not ordering a drink. This is especially true from pacing bandits. Think DD. The other person/people might not go without the bandit/DD so the owner/director should be gracious.
numb wrote:
I can't believe you idiots comparing bandits to those sneaking in to an NFL game or dining and dashing. It's more like going to hang out at a bar and not ordering a drink.
Horrible logic.
It is EXACTLY like going to an NFL game without paying, in that you are enjoying an experience that you didn't pay for, that costs money to put on, and was done so with the money of those who did pay.
numb wrote:
I can't believe you idiots comparing bandits to those sneaking in to an NFL game or dining and dashing. It's more like going to hang out at a bar and not ordering a drink. This is especially true from pacing bandits. Think DD. The other person/people might not go without the bandit/DD so the owner/director should be gracious.
Don't some bars actually give the DD free sodas? Now I want the RDs to pay me to show up and bandit.
g_d ur dumb wrote:
[quote]numb wrote:
It is EXACTLY like going to an NFL game without paying, in that you are enjoying an experience that you didn't pay for, that costs money to put on, and was done so with the money of those who did pay.
...another idiot. You pay for a seat at an NFL game.
Bandito wrote:
E. Bonix wrote:Sure, let's talk about running on public roads. A race director is required to get a permit to use public thoroughfares for a race. In most cases, police detail is a condition of that approval, as is liability insurance. This costs money, significantly more than 10 years ago. Nothing is free. Unregistered runners don't grasp this concept, or don't care. Either way, jumping into a race without a # is nothing to be proud of.
Does it cost the race more if I bandit?
I've always wanted to know if the number of runners who bandit races typically exceeds the number who enter races but don't run and can't get their money back. I'd be much more bothered by bandits if races refunded money to people who change their minds about racing.
You are indeed numb if you think all people are paying for at an NFL game is the right to sit in a seat, and that the expectation of the experience and entertainment has nothing to do with it. Don't be obtuse. And if you don't want to pay for that, you are welcome to sit in a seat in the alley or your living room for free.
ex bandit wrote:
E. Bonix wrote:Sure, let's talk about running on public roads. A race director is required to get a permit to use public thoroughfares for a race. In most cases, police detail is a condition of that approval, as is liability insurance. This costs money, significantly more than 10 years ago. Nothing is free. Unregistered runners don't grasp this concept, or don't care. Either way, jumping into a race without a # is nothing to be proud of.
Yes, it sucks to be a race director. But you took it on for some reason, and it doesn't mean everyone there owes you $50 or whatever you charge.
(1) It doesn't suck to be a race director.
(2) We charge $25. Our crew is 100% volunteer. And all proceeds are directed to a deserving local charity.
(3) What sucks are the dorks who think others should pay (or provide volunteer services) for a quality event, but not them. In our event's 15-year history there have been scant few bandits. Likely because we are NOT Competitor Group. But one year a guy jumped in sans a bib number and with a dog too (dogs are not allowed on the course) and guess what? The the leash tripped a registered participant, who ended up with a case of road rash and a chipped tooth. "Public roads", right?
Doing the right thing seems to be way beyond the comprehension of some people. And don't get me started on bib swappers.
I'm not saying I haven' but I'm also not saying I would....
How does bandit or the NFL game scenario compare with going to a multiplex theater and seeing two different movies for the price of one? Does it matter if you are buying their concessions during both movies or bringing in your own snacks and beer?
For what it's worth, a friend of mine runs a small 5k using manual timing where one volunteer pushes a button to record finishing times on a printer, another volunteer in the chute collects the bib number tear-off on a coat hanger, and yet another volunteer collates results from the two. This year they had a bandit go through the chute, get registered on the timer print-out, but didn't get a number, thus confusing the results collator. To sort it out they had to go to finish line video while the runners stood around in the rain for an extra half hour.
Hey runjourno, feel free to drop me a line. I banditted Boston 1987. Different time than today for sure... I currently direct races, have done so for about 25 years, so would have a perspective for you from both sides.
Trackrider wrote:
You are indeed numb if you think all people are paying for at an NFL game is the right to sit in a seat, and that the expectation of the experience and entertainment has nothing to do with it. Don't be obtuse. And if you don't want to pay for that, you are welcome to sit in a seat in the alley or your living room for free.
Idiots like you who think they are smart scare me. I bet you are voting for Trump.
Since you are incapable of understanding the concept of supply and demand, I'll give you a different example. Say you are legitimately at an NFL game, but are sitting high up in the stands. You notice a seat down near the field that's empty. You wait until the second quarter and then go sit in that seat with the plan to leave if asked. You did not pay for that seat, but you also did not steal it because it could have been sold to someone else. This is much more like being a bandit. Race directors who think bandits who do not take from water stations or cross the finish line are stealing from them need to get off their high horses and chill.
Oh, and to save you another idiotic response, yes, I feel the Bern and think all races should be free.
So in your NFL example you already paid $50 or whatever for your nosebleed seat and you moved down to an unused $150 seat. Not the best example since I don't see any bandits going up to the race director afterward and offering to pay $10 or $20 instead of the $50 entry fee.
If you think all races should be free, then you should try organizing one and see how that works out for your bank account.
Whenever I notice an adult without a number, I think "a-hole bandit, pay to support the race/charity"
If I see a HS or college aged kid without one, I don't care.
Trackrider wrote:
So in your NFL example you already paid $50 or whatever for your nosebleed seat and you moved down to an unused $150 seat. Not the best example since I don't see any bandits going up to the race director afterward and offering to pay $10 or $20 instead of the $50 entry fee.
If you think all races should be free, then you should try organizing one and see how that works out for your bank account.
I give up.
Trackrider wrote:
So in your NFL example you already paid $50 or whatever for your nosebleed seat and you moved down to an unused $150 seat. Not the best example since I don't see any bandits going up to the race director afterward and offering to pay $10 or $20 instead of the $50 entry fee.
If you think all races should be free, then you should try organizing one and see how that works out for your bank account.
OK, here's a better example; the people who have those apartments across the street from Wrigley Field and watch Cubs" games for free.
HRE wrote:
Trackrider wrote:So in your NFL example you already paid $50 or whatever for your nosebleed seat and you moved down to an unused $150 seat. Not the best example since I don't see any bandits going up to the race director afterward and offering to pay $10 or $20 instead of the $50 entry fee.
If you think all races should be free, then you should try organizing one and see how that works out for your bank account.
OK, here's a better example; the people who have those apartments across the street from Wrigley Field and watch Cubs" games for free.
Free? No. The Cubs collect royalties from the building landlords. And have been purchasing many of them over the years.