Worst D1 running schools?

I know somewhat about the NJIT program. The problem is that their track team doesn't get that much scholarship money and the coach doesn't recruit enough. It seems they rely on smart kids who get accepted and happen to want to join the team. Their not recruiting the best or semi decent kids in the state. However, their academics is top notch and the head coach is a full time engineer. Also, NJIT is finishing up the building of a new athletic facility, equipped with an indoor track, and they just joined the Atlantic Sun Conference a little over a year ago, so maybe things will start to turn around.

faronixx wrote:

How has only one person said Boston College? there are plenty of schools here listed that don't even try, but BC tries and fails in a spectacular way. They get so many really good recruits from catholic schools, but the squander all of the talent that they get.

BC has gone down the toilet but the women's side has done well. Don't get it.

cal-berkeley

GaryOak wrote:

Cal State Fullerton

Maybe a couple years ago. Bad assessment now.

They recently had both men and women's teams get top 15 in the West Region. Don't think that is bad at all. Best region in the country for distance running. Many other regions they would have crapped on other teams. Definitely not the program they used to be anymore.

Also, just looked. They put 4 runners in front of UCSB number 2 at regionals. Also women beat UC Davis. Both those programs are known to be pretty solid Mid-Majors.

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A few mentioned Vanderbilt... What other D1 Men's XC programs have no scholarships?

Smokendopen wrote:

Buckeye69 wrote:

No they really don't. Not one St. John's Jesuit runner has been even recruited there in the past decade. Truly sad.

This is a problem because of funding and bad coaching. Toledo has huge pools of local talent, but the coach would rather bust his nut over some Kenyans or a kid from out of state than get talented kids in the area from schools like st Francis, sjj, southview, etc. there's plenty of talent around that could keep the budget down, but ignorant recruiting, poor coaching, and lackluster performances in the past turns kids off.

Agreed. Lots of talent from the Toledo high schools in general. I used to literally run into the UT coach and team 2x per week at Swan Creek when I ran for the Titans back in the day. It just always surprised me how OSU, Akron, Kent, Cincy, hell even Tiffin, Bluffton, and ONU reached out to us, but not UT. It was mind boggling. BGSU got better recruits my senior year and they probably have the worst funded program in the country! And the Kenyans that they brought in were shit.

There were 16:15-type guys on our roster who even ended up going to UT but not running, partially because of the coach and program.

The Toledo women's program was dominating the MAC when this guy arrived. Bottom feeder now. Their men's program will never be any good until they get track back. The local kids in Toledo that are good will go elsewhere to run track. I don't blame this guy for trying to get Kenyans. His problem is that he cannot coach. When you ruin a women's program like that, there is no excuse. The men are only there to make sure the school has enough sports to be in the MAC.

Who cares how bad the team is? All that matters is you are running D1! The holy grail of running. "I am going D1 baby" My team's average is 28:33 in the 8K but we are D1 - YES I did it! Ugh

The WAC is a bad conference. Your winning times:

1:55/4:01/14:47/31:10/9:18

2:05/4:16/15:26/33:14/10:28 all scored in the men's meet. Ouch. Worst non-MEAC conference meet ever?

Chicago State gets smoked in XC by D3 teams. They will have that one or second guy who they will give a scholarship and then they hunt someome down in the hallways....literally. I see them all the time and I get baffled. I met one of their athletes a few years back and he wanted to transfer to my school, but chose to stay and get out of XC/track. It's in a terrible neighborhood with a low academic standards. It will never attract distance runners.

CC

Atleast he's not bustin a nut on some of the lady rockets like the last coach did ;)

I would much rather run D3 or NAIA and be somewhat competitive than be D1 and finishing in the last 30 or so places in the regional meet.

UNC Greensboro is the worst of the worst. Bad Coaching, Recruiting and assistant coaches that leave every year.

Colgate should be an amazing program. Is it their coach that's the problem?

Hamilton, NY is beautiful and hilly. I spent a weekend there and still dream about running around that town and the campus which is essentially built into a hill. Hamilton in the fall is pure paradise. And because Hamilton is such a small town, there should be not a lot of distractions so you actually focus on your training.

The tuition is extremely high the academic programs are great which attracting rich and smart people. Do rich and smart kids NOT want to run? I guess they like lacrosse more....

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Chuck Schick wrote:

Colgate should be an amazing program. Is it their coach that's the problem?

Hamilton, NY is beautiful and hilly. I spent a weekend there and still dream about running around that town and the campus which is essentially built into a hill. Hamilton in the fall is pure paradise. And because Hamilton is such a small town, there should be not a lot of distractions so you actually focus on your training.

The tuition is extremely high the academic programs are great which attracting rich and smart people. Do rich and smart kids NOT want to run? I guess they like lacrosse more....

I ran there lol no scholarships, no slots, no nothing.

It's pretty rare if you have 1410 on your Math and Verbal or a 33 ACT, and a 3.8 gpa and can afford $60,000. If you cover those three and can also run fast that's even more rare. If you do all that and are willing to turn down partials and guarantees from other schools to go to a school like Colgate then god bless you.

Nicholls state men and women

Burt Macklin wrote:

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/49808.html

The WAC is a bad conference. Your winning times:

1:55/4:01/14:47/31:10/9:18

2:05/4:16/15:26/33:14/10:28 all scored in the men's meet. Ouch. Worst non-MEAC conference meet ever?

Is the WAC a strong conference? Absolutely not.

Should it be ranked with the MEAC and SWAC, or even the NEC and Atlantic Sun? No. It is probably more in line with Southland, Big South or SoCon in distances.

Consider a few things in terms of long distance running. It was extremely hot and humid is South Texas for their championship. Their conference meet was among the toughest in terms of distance running conditions.

Also, conference meets are not a good gauge. Tactical races. Compare WAC season times to other conferences without a whole lot of travel opportunities and I would say they are more comparable to 66-75 percentile.

I do have to admit that mid distance performances from WAC are rather weak.