Phoebe Wright tweets what it's like racing Caster Semenya

T is part of the bio passport so if everyone male and female (etc) has their full bio passport data published as many here including me have called for I think that would be sufficient disclosure. Some of the data might shut up some of the wilder posters here, but I doubt it somehow.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/athlete-biological-passport

"The Steroidal Module, launched on January 1st, 2014, complements the Haematological Module and, like the Haematological Module, aims to identify potential athletes for further target testing in addition to assisting detection of anti-doping rule violations (ADRVs).

The Steroidal Module tests an athlete’s urine sample to observe unique steroidal variables such as testosterone, therefore making it a useful technique in spotting athlete abuse of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids."

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douglas burke wrote:

Also Phoebe Wright runs 1:58.22 in 2010 at age 21, now at age 27 she needs to figure out why she has gone years without going under 2, someone who run 1:58.22 at age 21 should be running 1:56-1:57 and 1:58-1:59 on a bad day unless they are slacking off so she needs to stop complaining and get to training or Wright will be watching the Olympics from TV.

Why she ran 1:58 and why she's now running 2:0x can be a number of reasons, and it isn't your place to go and tell her how to approach her races and training, it's D Mackey's.

The point is that she is slower than SHE has been before. What difference does it make if an intersexed athlete is in the race? 2010 Phe still beats 2016 Phe and that's what she should be concerned with...

Ivy leaguer wrote:

Phoebe seems to be a little too manly to me. I find it odd that she would be the one to be so critical.

How is she being "critical"? in both cases she is pointing to the incredible athleticism of her competitors. It's like me saying "what it's like to play basketball against Michael Jordan" and showing a picture of me passed out on the ground while Jordan dunks the ball..

She's being funny in her posts about Semenya and Dibaba. Phoebe is not criticizing or alleging anything... except that they are pretty hard to keep up with. Learn to take a joke.

sgagdgdfgdfgd wrote:

Phoebe Wright tweets what it's like racing Caster Semenya:

https://twitter.com/Phe800/status/738778124679159808

Great now not only will we have to watch Caster Sandbag it, now she's going to fake being tired when she finish's.

The Scot wrote:

T is part of the bio passport so if everyone male and female (etc) has their full bio passport data published as many here including me have called for I think that would be sufficient disclosure.

You don't even have to go that far. Post a quarterly summary of tests/positives/suspicious/excused-positives.

It wouldn't change much. She's an XY human competing against XX humans. So much more power and speed.

And who cares, pop? Guess no one but you cares about this XX XY thing.

8FE wrote:

And who cares, pop? Guess no one but you cares about this XX XY thing.

Huh? No, just about everyone cares about it. It's a huge deal, and anyone who pretends it's not is a kowtowing liberal competing in the Sensitivity Olympics.

Yes, but 2:00 is not the world record in the women's 800- 3:50, 47 and 10.7 are world records in those respective events.

Metric Miler wrote:

unfounded comparison wrote:

What is the basis for comparing an adult female to a 13/14 year old boy? Apples and oranges.

Prepubescent boys. You won't find many running 3:50 for the 1500m, a 47.7 relay leg or 10.7 for the 100m. But boys running 2:00/2:01 are dime a dozen.

8FE wrote:

And who cares, pop? Guess no one but you cares about this XX XY thing.

I care what you think

gsdfgdfgqwe wrote:

Yes, but 2:00 is not the world record in the women's 800- 3:50, 47 and 10.7 are world records in those respective events.

Metric Miler wrote:

Prepubescent boys. You won't find many running 3:50 for the 1500m, a 47.7 relay leg or 10.7 for the 100m. But boys running 2:00/2:01 are dime a dozen.

47.7 is not the world record. 10.7 is not the world record.

2:00 is an extremely poor standard for so called elite 800m running. It is essentially 1:47 for a comparison to the men's standard. You'd all be calling any male elite who ran that sort of time (like Symmonds) 'washed up'.

Sorry- 10.5, 47.6- my point still stands though. You can't use these world records or very close to justify that 2:00 is very weak, as that is they are the world records. Sure, 14 yr 2:00 boys are a dime a dozen, but so are 49/50/51 14 yr boys, which is where the women's 400 is at as well.

By the way, using IAAF tables, 2:00= 1:45.68, not 1:47 and washed out.

Metric Miler wrote:

Prepubescent boys. You won't find many running 3:50 for the 1500m, a 47.7 relay leg or 10.7 for the 100m. But boys running 2:00/2:01 are dime a dozen.

How many dime a dozen middle schoolers have run 2:00 to 2:01 this year?

Wasn't there a thread of couple days ago encouraging women 800m runners to give their thoughts about racing Caster Semenya and their take on the fairness of it all? And some comments insinuating--nay, saying--that women are too soft/scared to speak up? Now here is a woman 800m runner making the slightest of Twitter insinuations that having Caster Semenya in the race might not actually be fair. And what does she get? Comments about her looks and own perceived "masculinity" level.

Dhsjkavs wrote:

Sorry- 10.5, 47.6- my point still stands though. You can't use these world records or very close to justify that 2:00 is very weak, as that is they are the world records. Sure, 14 yr 2:00 boys are a dime a dozen, but so are 49/50/51 14 yr boys, which is where the women's 400 is at as well.

By the way, using IAAF tables, 2:00= 1:45.68, not 1:47 and washed out.

Ok if I go on the UK rankings for under 15 boys last year there are 8 boys that ran sub 2:01. 3 ran 1:57 or faster and 1 ran quicker than the female world lead last year.

On the 1500m list the quickest boy ran 4:08. On the 3k list the quickest boy ran 9:05.

Under 15 boys are too young to run the 400m but they do the 300m and the fastest ran 35.7 which is worth about 50 flat for the 400m. Allyson Felix could likely run 48 mid last year given her 47.7 relay leg.

Women's 800m at the moment is weak there is no denying it. Sub 2 used to be the minimum standard to show an athlete was on her way to making it as a pro. Now it is some kind of elite standard.

Ignore that IAAF conversion. Sub 2 is not that great and Caster Semenya is showing the world how weak the field is. Kelly Holmes would have ripped this current generation apart.

A better way of showing how weak the 800m is right now is by comparing world leads or comparing the men's 400m against the men's 800m and then doing the same with the women's events. I was just making the point that undeveloped young boys can run 2 minutes and it is not that special.

[quote]8FE wrote:

She flats out says "there's two different races" insinuating that Semenya and the other girl are cheating because the race was won in 1:56.92./quote]

She flat out said there were two different races, because Semenya and the other guy ran in and "won" the women's race, but they are not women and therefore they're cheaters, regardless of what time that they ran.

Dear God, you're like a dog with a bone with this. We get it. You think women 800 runners are weak right now.

Yeah, I'm right too and others agree. Some people in this thread disagree and I was discussing this matter with them.

We happen to be on a forum

Metric Miler wrote:

Phoebe Wright hasn't broken 2:00 for 4 years. A time that every year 13/14 year old boys run.

That's nothing.

My 10 month old daughter and her classmates routinely run under 45 seconds.

jjjjjj wrote:

first of all, you should know that all of those eastern europeans and any chinese on the list ahead of Semenya were doping like crazy

Doping is a western idea, invented by pharmaceutical corporations trying to pretend their toxic drugs actually help people, to cover up the fact that they make people worse. Indeed big pharma wants people to keep getting worse by taking more drugs, which means more doctors, more hospitals, more drugs, ensuring the vicious cycle continues on and on.

AT THEIR BEST: drugs offer a 0% advantage in performance

However, gender bias along with exponentially higher testosterone levels provides a typical: 10% advantage in performance