Who WINS in their prime going toe to toe Mike Tyson versus Ali?

D'Amato brought up Tyson not Rooney

Tyson was set for 3 fights with Holyfield:

#1 Tyson chickened out , rib cartilage bs

#2 Tyson got hit and beat on

#3. Tyson got embarrassed and quit

Tyson was a helluva fighter but not much of a boxer.

Tyson's "prime" is that Michael Spinks had no desire to keep boxing and did not show up. Anytime someone showed up with a heart, reach, and boxing ability Tyson lost.

It is what it is. Tyson was a charging Bull. Ali was a matador. Steak for dinner.

And don't forget how pretty Ali was.

Tyson was never pretty.

Born in the 856 wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

No, Douglas beat a Tyson who had already went away from the training, skills and strategy that got him to the top.

Alan

Tyson was undefeated and undisputed Heavyweight champion coming into that Buster Douglas fight. Douglas was a 42-1 underdog, according to the Vegas betting line. Tyson was just 23 years old on Feb 11, 1990. He was at his peak. If he trained badly or used poor strategy, that's on him. He lost to Douglas in his prime. I saw that fight on PPV and still have the videotape.

I was at the Alrosa Villa in Columbus watching the fight and the place went Fing crazy. At the time it was considered the biggest upset in boxing history by many. Buster later gained so much weight, he ended up in a diabetic coma but recovered and got in good enough shape to fight again. The Alrosa Villa was where, years later, "dimebag" Darrell Abbott and 3 others were killed during a concert.

Lover of Boxing wrote:

Ali has good speed, good defense. But he wasn't big enough or strong enough to deal with Tyson. Tyson was exceptionally quick and powerful. Ali strugged very hard against Joe Frazier, and Frazier, although not the same style, was less of a physical specimen than Tyson.

Now if you were to ask, who from Ali's era could beat Tyson? It would be George Foreman. That man's style and power beats Tyson completely.

So you're reasoning is that Tyson was too powerful for Ali but Foreman would beat Tyson because Foreman was even more powerful than Tyson? Given that Ali beat Foreman I'd say you need to rethink your "logic."

maybe louis wrote:

No way in hell Tyson beats Ali.

When guys like Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper can know your ass to the ground, you have a chance to losing to Mike Tyson. It is hard to evaluate tyson because his peak was short. Those fights after 22 were not the same guy as the one that destroyed people. I expect that Ali would have won. But I wouldn't be shocked to learn that I am wrong and that Tyson is fast enough to connect and take care of Ali.

As far as getting into tyson's head, I don't think he would understand most of the taunts:)

Perch wrote:

Lover of Boxing wrote:

Ali has good speed, good defense. But he wasn't big enough or strong enough to deal with Tyson. Tyson was exceptionally quick and powerful. Ali strugged very hard against Joe Frazier, and Frazier, although not the same style, was less of a physical specimen than Tyson.

Now if you were to ask, who from Ali's era could beat Tyson? It would be George Foreman. That man's style and power beats Tyson completely.

So you're reasoning is that Tyson was too powerful for Ali but Foreman would beat Tyson because Foreman was even more powerful than Tyson? Given that Ali beat Foreman I'd say you need to rethink your "logic."

Tyson and Foreman had different styles. Tyson was a swarmer. Foreman was a puncher.

Boxers (Ali) have trouble with swarmers (like Frazier). Swarmers have trouble with punchers. Punchers have trouble with boxers.

The 1966 Ali is bigger, stronger, faster, and much more skilled than any version of Tyson. Tyson eats jabs and right crosses in trying to get inside for the first five rounds. Gets knocked out in middle rounds.

The 1973 Ali dances and jabs to an easy decision. Tyson tires in the middle rounds.

People forget how good Ali was in the late rounds and how ineffective Tyson was in the later rounds.

Buster Douglas fought a poor mans Ali fight against Tyson and won. Tyson, hate to say it, wasn't in Joe Frazier's league either, who has a vastly underrated fighter in Ali's shadow.

Kimbo Slice would have destroyed both.

BoxingFan wrote:

The 1966 Ali is bigger, stronger, faster, and much more skilled than any version of Tyson. Tyson eats jabs and right crosses in trying to get inside for the first five rounds. Gets knocked out in middle rounds.

The 1973 Ali dances and jabs to an easy decision. Tyson tires in the middle rounds.

People forget how good Ali was in the late rounds and how ineffective Tyson was in the later rounds.

Buster Douglas fought a poor mans Ali fight against Tyson and won. Tyson, hate to say it, wasn't in Joe Frazier's league either, who has a vastly underrated fighter in Ali's shadow.

True dat. It's obvious that many of you have not read the Bleacher Report article which I posted earlier. I will argue that Tyson's opponents were all a joke, except for Evander Holyfield. They couldn't hold a candle to Ken Norton, George Foreman, Joe Frazier or Larry Holmes.

Ali's losses were always at least 10 rounds or longer. He had a better chin than Tyson and was NEVER knocked out in an early round. Tyson always had trouble with opponents who has longer wingspans than him. Even Tyson admitted that he was not built to go the distance. If he couldn't knock a guy out in the first 3-5 rounds, he would get frustrated and lose. Ali was the undisputed master at frustrating his opponents. Foreman was known as the hardest puncher in history and Ali was able to take his best shots. Frazier who was also a very hard puncher said in interviews after the Thrilla in Manila, "I hit Ali like a freight train and he still would not go down".

Bleacher Report Conclusion:

Tyson was a physical marvel and it shows in the categories that he has over Ali. Tyson is superior to Ali in Power, Speed and Defense. These are all critical components of boxing.

Ali was a more complete warrior than Mike Tyson. As a result he takes home six categories…Style, Chin, Heart, Psychology, Key Losses and Stamina/Endurance.

There is also something else to note. Ali, while inferior to Tyson, was no slouch when it came to power and speed. Tyson, on the other hand, had major deficiencies in chin, heart, psychology and stamina. Any opponent who beat Ali did so in a hard fought battle that went AT LEAST 10 rounds.

Frazier won a unanimous decision in 15 rounds.

Ken Norton won a split decision in 12 rounds.

Leon Spinks won a split decision in 15 rounds.

Larry Holmes won a TKO in 10 rounds.

Trevor Berbick won a unanimous decision in 10 rounds.

In order for Tyson to beat Ali he’d have to take him down and take him down quick. Some of the best boxers in American history couldn’t do it and Tyson wouldn’t do it either.

This fight would be hard fought for the first few rounds. In round five or six Ali would begin to outclass and frustrate Mike Tyson. Tyson was known to get anxious (as he was known to do) in those middle rounds and take big risks with punches. He’d connect with just enough shots to open himself up for major punishment.

By round 10, Tyson would be clearly outclassed and looking for a way out. He’d get it in the form of a unanimous decision for Ali.

Sorry Tyson fans, its just not in the cards.

DOWN GOES TYSON!

No person saw Ali in his prime. He willingly sacrificed it for principle.

Bjørn Dæhlie wrote:

Kimbo Slice would have destroyed both.

Slice got his ass knocked out by some unknown little white guy. Remember?

Mplatt wrote:

No person saw Ali in his prime. He willingly sacrificed it for principle.

Wrong. His longtime corner man, Ferdie Pacheco is very much alive. I saw him fight in the early 70's.

Born in the 856 wrote:

Mplatt wrote:

No person saw Ali in his prime. He willingly sacrificed it for principle.

Wrong. His longtime corner man, Ferdie Pacheco is very much alive. I saw him fight in the early 70's.

Meaning his lost years were his prime. Just like ted Williams lost years.

In this interview from 2012, Tyson himself says Ali would win. 4:08 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF17mkqyf44

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Perch wrote:

Lover of Boxing wrote:

Ali has good speed, good defense. But he wasn't big enough or strong enough to deal with Tyson. Tyson was exceptionally quick and powerful. Ali strugged very hard against Joe Frazier, and Frazier, although not the same style, was less of a physical specimen than Tyson.

Now if you were to ask, who from Ali's era could beat Tyson? It would be George Foreman. That man's style and power beats Tyson completely.

So you're reasoning is that Tyson was too powerful for Ali but Foreman would beat Tyson because

was even more powerful than Tyson? Given that Ali beat Foreman I'd say you need to rethink your "logic."

No. "fighter a > b > c > a" is not how boxing works. Styles makes fights. I have actual experience boxing. In the ring and outside. I fight and regularly spar. I know more boxing than 99.9% people here. Foreman vs Tyson is a different fight than Foreman vs Frazier.

Otherwise, Foreman easily beats Ali just like how he easily dominated and brutally destroyed Frazier. Learn more about boxing before you talk logic that does not apply to boxing. It shows me that YDKSAB.

Ball Zach wrote:

In this interview from 2012, Tyson himself says Ali would win. 4:08 in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF17mkqyf44

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Ali has said Tyson would win.

I'm too lazy to look up the video.

TYSON LUKE FURY (A WHITE GUY) WOULD DESTROY EITHER OF THEM. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

BE PROUD OF YOUR WHITE CHAMPION, NOT ARGUING OVER WHICH FORMER BLACK CHAMPION WOULD BEAT THE OTHER INTO EARLY PARKINSONS...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Fury

TYSON FURY

Height 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m)[1]

Reach 85 in (216 cm)

Born 12 August 1988 (age 27)

Wythenshawe,

Manchester, England

Stance Orthodox

Boxing record

Total fights 25

Wins 25

Wins by KO 18

Losses 0

I say Tyson could of beat Ali in his prime. I mean Frazier did. So Ali was not unbeatable. Now I am one of the few that think if things went right for Tyson his entire career than he could of been the GOAT Boxer. However "3" major things happened to Tyson that derailed him from becoming the GOAT.

1. His trainer died. The man that made Tyson into the boxing Wolverine

2.He met the sewer dweller Don King

3.He messed with the wrong rape accusing money hungry fame seeking bitch

8FE wrote:

Tyson would kill him.

I saw what Foreman, Frazier, etc. did to Ali "in his prime."

We're talking about prime years.

Tyson was walking death.

Ali was not in his prime after he was released from jail. Look at his 1960s matches.