Does the positive split strategy really apply to everyone in the 800?

U Asked For It wrote:

Correlation isn't causation, but when it corroborates almost every subjective experience as well as the physiology (full use of the creatine-phosphate system in first seconds of the race, coupled with high lactate tolerance developed in training leading to the advantage of positive split), statistical reference is valid.

ididk wrote:

That is completely irrelevant. The most common way to run it doesn't mean it's the best way to run your fastest. This is basic statistics.

Yes, I am quite versed in statistics and didn't think I'd need to spell out the point of my post to the genius audience of LRC. You're better than this.

stateezee wrote:

U Asked For It wrote:

Correlation isn't causation, but when it corroborates almost every subjective experience as well as the physiology (full use of the creatine-phosphate system in first seconds of the race, coupled with high lactate tolerance developed in training leading to the advantage of positive split), statistical reference is valid.

Yes, I am quite versed in statistics and didn't think I'd need to spell out the point of my post to the genius audience of LRC. You're better than this.

You are so unbelievably full of it.

It was CORRECTLY pointed out that your post pointed out something that is completely irrelevant.

There are no original threads.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5129993

trackster48 wrote:

Good luck with the rest of your season!

lol if only.. my season if over and I am a senior. Thanks for the insight everyone (although now I'm slightly depressed knowing I couldve run faster lol)

Sam wrote:

Even or close to even is probably best physiologically, but it's worth expending a bit of effort getting in the right position early on in the 800 - it's a distance that is very unforgiving of mistakes. Coming from behind in even splits is a legit strategy (Borza and Kelly Holmes both did it in Athens) but getting stuck in a pack isn't.

This is a good point. The 800 is unforgiving of mistakes. That's why it is such a difficult race: you have to run smart and stay out of trouble while you're nearly red-lining.

To the original Q: for 800 specialists, positive or near even always seems best. I think for non-800 specialists, however, because they aren't use to the physiological distress of the 2nd lap they don't do well on a positive split and they need to run pretty evenly.

Maybe Mouse wrote:

stateezee wrote:

Yes, I am quite versed in statistics and didn't think I'd need to spell out the point of my post to the genius audience of LRC. You're better than this.

You are so unbelievably full of it.

It was CORRECTLY pointed out that your post pointed out something that is completely irrelevant.

If you think that the preponderance of positive splits in the all-time record books is completely irrelevant, then your grasp of statistics is tenuous at best.

I expect more out of posters on this site.