Les wrote:
Symmonds has run 3:34.55 for 1500m. This is faster than Robby Andrews' PR.
His 800m p.r. is way faster too, captain obvious!
Les wrote:
Symmonds has run 3:34.55 for 1500m. This is faster than Robby Andrews' PR.
His 800m p.r. is way faster too, captain obvious!
He just dropped some 14 or 15 seconds off his mile PR from last year, most of it in just two races. The 4:05 1600 and 3:59 mile (3:58) 1500. It gets your attention when young runners that make big leaps, especially at that level. He may or may not beat some of Webb's records, but this is an extraordinary era so rather than fuss and try to slap other people around, maybe just cheer them on and enjoy it. Hope that these kids have great careers.
dumbbell thrusters wrote:
malmo wrote:What does this years crop of college runners or Centro have to do with anything? None of them ever ran like Slagowski in high school, timewise, and more specifically to my point, none of them ever ran like him racewise -- flat out getting after it in races. That's Jim Ruyn territory. I see Slagowski as having much better potential than the likes of Joe Falcon, Todd Harbour or John Gregorek...or even Webb.
What expectations? I don't have any. I said clearly "I wouldn't blink if we were to see him run sub 3:50 against college competion" Nothing more. Heck, this year I wouldn't blink if he broke 3:56 in a high school only race.
High school success isn't a guarantee to future success -- Michael Granville and Baily Roth have proven this. I just don't see Slagowski's potential ending in high school like them.
I think what we're seeing is the beginning of something really special. Enjoy the ride.
So why does he have better potential than Webb? Webb ran faster than him at every distance at this point in his career? Also given Webb ran 1:43 and 3:46 that would mean you could see Slagowski as a future World record holder? Wow Malmo you should be this kid's agent.
When I see a leap like that I think things like this , that he may be close to his ceiling or his training or physical maturity has finally caught up. Also calling him the next big phenom has a way of backfiring. I mean c'mon man
Centro has run 3:50 and 1:44. What's his 400m best time?
Pret sure wrote:
He just dropped some 14 or 15 seconds off his mile PR from last year, most of it in just two races. The 4:05 1600 and 3:59 mile (3:58) 1500. It gets your attention when young runners that make big leaps, especially at that level.
He may or may not beat some of Webb's records, but this is an extraordinary era so rather than fuss and try to slap other people around, maybe just cheer them on and enjoy it. Hope that these kids have great careers.
dumbbell thrusters wrote:So why does he have better potential than Webb? Webb ran faster than him at every distance at this point in his career? Also given Webb ran 1:43 and 3:46 that would mean you could see Slagowski as a future World record holder? Wow Malmo you should be this kid's agent.
in addition to him already running 47.9 on a relay, the 48.5 doesn' shock me as I had a freshman in college run 148 mid. He did a 49.1 in practice on a windy day as a frosh (can't remember if that was with a running start or not).
Sure, this is faster but this guy was known as an 800 guy. My guy was more of a 1500 guy than 800.
Pret sure wrote:
He just dropped some 14 or 15 seconds off his mile PR from last year, most of it in just two races. The 4:05 1600 and 3:59 mile (3:58) 1500. It gets your attention when young runners that make big leaps, especially at that level.
He may or may not beat some of Webb's records, but this is an extraordinary era so rather than fuss and try to slap other people around, maybe just cheer them on and enjoy it. Hope that these kids have great careers.
dumbbell thrusters wrote:So why does he have better potential than Webb? Webb ran faster than him at every distance at this point in his career? Also given Webb ran 1:43 and 3:46 that would mean you could see Slagowski as a future World record holder? Wow Malmo you should be this kid's agent.
No, he did not drop 14 or 15 seconds off his PR from last year.
Last year, he ran 4:09.17y at Jesuit Twilight. He had also run a 3:53.14 for 1500m as a SOPHOMORE! Still a big drop (10 seconds better than last year), but not 15 seconds in one year. More like 11-12 seconds over 2 years, with his race last year being pretty sub-optimal in terms of running a fast time.
Y'all gotta stop tellin these kids what they're capable of based off of races you have seen. Coming from someone who hasn't broken 1:51 yet (1:51.14 indoor) but has split a 46.9i, and has an open 400 of 47.64 outdoor this time isn't indicative of anything. Yes it shows he has speed but nothing crazy, but then again, he killed everybody. Last year I ran a 48.01 against little to no competition, that same year I ran 1:51.39. Do I feel like I could've ran faster, of course but that's not the point. Don't put limits on these kids, NOBODY is the same. They may be peaking now, they may be just starting their running careers, who knows? Just see what comes of the most talented mid-distance classes ('15 AND '16) since Granville, Armour, Obea Moore (he ran 1:49.16 as a sophomore mind you), and many more specifically from Cali in that generation (believe Solinsky was doing big things in the east coast at the time too).
TrackCoach wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.
Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.
Definitely not incredible speed, but very good if he considers himself primarily a miler. It is not uncommon for a blue chip high school half miler to have 48x 400m credentials. The good thing is, his speed looks very natural, he looks like a middle distance runner sprinting. His bio-mechs looks very much like El G. With sprint training, to get rid of his hip rotation and learn how to cycle, he could probably run 47x, but why bother at this stage...I like the fact that he is not overtrained. In terms of this kid running low a 46 quarter, I would say no way. He just set a massive PR a week ago and the season is half way over, breaking 1:48 is possible, but I would not expect much more than that.
Btw, that was the first time I've ever seem an all-white 400m or any sprint for that matter. Nothing is meant by that statement other than I found it interesting.
I said a 1:46 800m, not a 46 quarter.
48.5 and 3:59.5 give a 1:46 800m ability.
Lots here are vastly overestimating the speed of true milers. You do not even need to break 50 to break 4:00.
Again, 48 is typical for a 1:48 800m runner. 48 is NOT fast for a 1:48 runner
XY wrote:
Again, 48 is typical for a 1:48 800m runner. 48 is NOT fast for a 1:48 runner
And 3:59 is not typical for a 1:48 runner; at least, it's not typical for a 1:48 runner who can break 49.
rojo wrote:
in addition to him already running 47.9 on a relay, the 48.5 doesn' shock me as I had a freshman in college run 148 mid. He did a 49.1 in practice on a windy day as a frosh (can't remember if that was with a running start or not).
Sure, this is faster but this guy was known as an 800 guy. My guy was more of a 1500 guy than 800.
He was more a 1500m guy...? Are you serious. Did he win nationals and run 3:36? A 48.x (49.1) on a windy day in practice; and 1:48 guy is an 800m guy. Don't give me he was more of a 1500m sort unless he was well well under 3:40... Which he wasn't. 1:48.x and 4:00 milers are very impressive...there better event is the 800m though.
Prediction time wrote:
rojo wrote:in addition to him already running 47.9 on a relay, the 48.5 doesn' shock me as I had a freshman in college run 148 mid. He did a 49.1 in practice on a windy day as a frosh (can't remember if that was with a running start or not).
Sure, this is faster but this guy was known as an 800 guy. My guy was more of a 1500 guy than 800.
He was more a 1500m guy...? Are you serious. Did he win nationals and run 3:36? A 48.x (49.1) on a windy day in practice; and 1:48 guy is an 800m guy. Don't give me he was more of a 1500m sort unless he was well well under 3:40... Which he wasn't. 1:48.x and 4:00 milers are very impressive...there better event is the 800m though.
Completely disagree. Not only for the fact that rojo was his coach (and so he probably knows the kid better than you, including his strengths and weaknesses), but because the times you suggest don't make much sense either.
Try thinking of it this way:
WR is 43.18 for 400m, 1:40.91 for 800m and 3:26.00 for 1500m. This, being the best ever marks in the events, can give us some sort of baseline for how competitive the athlete is for those given events on a human-best level (which is NOT the only measure that counts, but this is the starting point).
Let's say the 49.1h collegiate frosh could actually run a 48.00 (just for argument's sake) in an actual race. That is 11.16% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could also run a 1:48.50 (rojo just said "1:48.mid" so that's as mid as it gets). That is 7.52% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could "only" run a 3:40.00 for 1500m instead of "well under" 3:40. That would only be 6.80% slower than the WR.
In other words, it can easily be argued that 3:40.00 is a better mark than 1:48.50 or 48.00.
A better measure of what would be better for the athlete would be how fast they would need to run in order to place at the national meet (assuming that is his final goal for the season). I don't have that data on hand, but I find it hard to believe it would be much different than the comparison to the WR marks above. Feel free to look up that info for yourself if you feel so inclined.
A 49/1:48 guy is NOT a speed-based 800m guy. Not even close.
Some of this including Malmo's position is absurd
Webb ran 3:53.x after a sub 4 indoor mile faster than Slagdowski has run yet, then he ran an 8:45 two mile crushing Nate Brannen another sub 4 HS'er. On a flat track in Md.
Then he ran 1:47.74, and 47.4 relay conservatively 48.0 -48.1 scratch. then later3:53.x mile, plus a 1:47 leg beating the Jeffersons in 4x8 in Raleigh
then 3:37 at U.S. Nats
This guy has better upside? How is that?
Like 1:43 .86 3:46.x 13:10? 27:34 Upside? Better than that?
Really?
How soon will this get deleted, the premise is insane,Webb would drill him at any distance any day at any HS distance, No one disagrees with that.
This guy is gonna get Hoovered, not Hovered to what?
he cannot beat Hunter on a bike.
This sport has been run for a ton of years.
Lindgren 8:40 two mile yards on 160 boards an all time mark. But also over 50 years ago.
Hunter's is better , on a flat track sub 8 3K 8:37 two mile equiv
Webb 3:59.x chasing at Armory, I was there
Hunter 3:58.x Armory
Hunter 3:57.x Armory
Hunter 1:48.64 and 8:43.x 3200 same day double
Slagowski: 3:59.x with a pacer as well
Make your own decisions
Trialswatcher wrote:
then 3:37 at U.S. Nats.
Tom Byers.
Oh? wrote:
Prediction time wrote:He was more a 1500m guy...? Are you serious. Did he win nationals and run 3:36? A 48.x (49.1) on a windy day in practice; and 1:48 guy is an 800m guy. Don't give me he was more of a 1500m sort unless he was well well under 3:40... Which he wasn't. 1:48.x and 4:00 milers are very impressive...there better event is the 800m though.
Completely disagree. Not only for the fact that rojo was his coach (and so he probably knows the kid better than you, including his strengths and weaknesses), but because the times you suggest don't make much sense either.
Try thinking of it this way:
WR is 43.18 for 400m, 1:40.91 for 800m and 3:26.00 for 1500m. This, being the best ever marks in the events, can give us some sort of baseline for how competitive the athlete is for those given events on a human-best level (which is NOT the only measure that counts, but this is the starting point).
Let's say the 49.1h collegiate frosh could actually run a 48.00 (just for argument's sake) in an actual race. That is 11.16% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could also run a 1:48.50 (rojo just said "1:48.mid" so that's as mid as it gets). That is 7.52% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could "only" run a 3:40.00 for 1500m instead of "well under" 3:40. That would only be 6.80% slower than the WR.
In other words, it can easily be argued that 3:40.00 is a better mark than 1:48.50 or 48.00.
A better measure of what would be better for the athlete would be how fast they would need to run in order to place at the national meet (assuming that is his final goal for the season). I don't have that data on hand, but I find it hard to believe it would be much different than the comparison to the WR marks above. Feel free to look up that info for yourself if you feel so inclined.
A 49/1:48 guy is NOT a speed-based 800m guy. Not even close.
It would be for a more 1500m based mid-distance runner, as rojo noted. Would like to know who the young man was and what his 1500m mile times were. A more strength based runner would assume better 1500m equivalent marks compared to his 400/800 times. Who is it then???
49/1:48/3:36 is an appropriate line of fitness for someone who is stronger at 1500/mile. Don't give me that world record comparison crap.
LOL..Always an all time Byers fan
super talent
Prediction time wrote:
Oh? wrote:Completely disagree. Not only for the fact that rojo was his coach (and so he probably knows the kid better than you, including his strengths and weaknesses), but because the times you suggest don't make much sense either.
Try thinking of it this way:
WR is 43.18 for 400m, 1:40.91 for 800m and 3:26.00 for 1500m. This, being the best ever marks in the events, can give us some sort of baseline for how competitive the athlete is for those given events on a human-best level (which is NOT the only measure that counts, but this is the starting point).
Let's say the 49.1h collegiate frosh could actually run a 48.00 (just for argument's sake) in an actual race. That is 11.16% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could also run a 1:48.50 (rojo just said "1:48.mid" so that's as mid as it gets). That is 7.52% slower than the WR.
Let's say he could "only" run a 3:40.00 for 1500m instead of "well under" 3:40. That would only be 6.80% slower than the WR.
In other words, it can easily be argued that 3:40.00 is a better mark than 1:48.50 or 48.00.
A better measure of what would be better for the athlete would be how fast they would need to run in order to place at the national meet (assuming that is his final goal for the season). I don't have that data on hand, but I find it hard to believe it would be much different than the comparison to the WR marks above. Feel free to look up that info for yourself if you feel so inclined.
A 49/1:48 guy is NOT a speed-based 800m guy. Not even close.
It would be for a more 1500m based mid-distance runner, as rojo noted. Would like to know who the young man was and what his 1500m mile times were. A more strength based runner would assume better 1500m equivalent marks compared to his 400/800 times. Who is it then???
49/1:48/3:36 is an appropriate line of fitness for someone who is stronger at 1500/mile. Don't give me that world record comparison crap.
Don't need to go by the WR comparison, that was just a quick standard to measure against (as I stated). However, not sure why you shouldn't at least use it as an easy point of reference - not like any of those WRs are really all that weak or strong compared to the others.
Here's another easy comparison:
How close is a 49 guy from qualifying for the Olympics? Probably about 4 seconds/lap away in the US?
How close is a 1:48 guy from qualifying for the Olympics? Probably about 2 seconds/lap away in the US?
How close is a 3:36 guy from qualifying for the Olympics? Probably about 1 second/lap away (if that) in the US? 3:40 would be more in line with the 1:48 in this comparison as well (would mean a 3:33.0 and 1:44.0 would qualify).
Rojo's athlete, like rojo said, is a 1500m guy (who can step down to the 800m). His 400m time most certainly does NOT make him an 800m guy - it is actually quite slow in comparison.
sorry, 400m should be "about 4.5 seconds/lap away"
Another sub-4:00 miler runs 48 in a low-key meet:
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