I know for a fact that William Hung from American Idol could kick both of their buts at the same time with one arm tied behind his back while singing a Ricky Martin song.
Let's start a new myth ya all.
I know for a fact that William Hung from American Idol could kick both of their buts at the same time with one arm tied behind his back while singing a Ricky Martin song.
Let's start a new myth ya all.
Yeah,I actually agree with you in everything,except for Jackie's part.You know,I really know everything about 'Jackie does all his own stunts hipe',but believe me this is not a hipe,this is the absolute and demonstrated truth;
It is stupid to think Jackie doesn´t do All his own stunts, because he was a stuntman, he is a stuntman, and he himself cannot allow to have a double because him and his fans. Many people could say they have seen movies in which Jackie is not doing one of his stunts, well this could be because what they think is a stunt, for Jackie is not a stunt at all, owing he has been doing those type of things during 30 years, so he is not worried at all with that. I mean, that we fans see is not Jackie in a stunt does not mean he cannot do that! Many times his movies are made in a hurry and he needs to save time at any cost. If Jackie really did most of his own stunts he would have lain to his fans, and that is not true, because he loves his fans, and he is in a full dedication to them and his films. Jackie is and has been the only one who never have used doubles for his action scenes (Only using doubles inevitably when injured in some films, or forced in U.S. market, but in a normal status/condition he is the only one who has never used a double).This are ,in fact,Jackie´s words and way of making movies,yuo just have to read and his official books ,documentaries,movies,and way of living and making movies,so,His action is real, with no fake to his audience. Said this,I hope you have learnt something.That´s all and have fun...
Bruce would win, i mean come he is really the all time great and you have to admit it
don't be daft now... you just sound ignorant.
Ignorant? I have no doubt that if William Hung took steroids, diuretics and cha cha lessons, he would become a martial arts master.
Bruce Lee learned martial arts from grandmaster Yip Man,
Jackie Chan Learned martial art moves in acting school
Bruce lee was taught "real" martial arts
Jackie Chan was taught "reel" martial arts
bruce lee would win easily.he was one of the first mixed martial artists(jkd)plus an accomplished street fighter.(this combination will make any man a dangerous one)this could beat jackie's traditional opera style kung fu.if he couldn't toe to toe he could take him to the ground.to prove my point look at the gracie's family record when they were whipping tail out of traditionalists.(karate,tae kwon do,and yes even kung fu) i'm not putting down jackie becouse he is very fast and powerful martial artists,but he would have to cross train to beat lee.
OK, I used to take Kung-fu in NC from a guy who had trained under Yip-man and had been to Lee's training locales a few times. After Lee died he even trained a few of Lee's former students. So, needless to say, we asked him about Lee all the time. He never would say much or tell big stories, but I do remember one time he said something to the effect of "Bruce Lee was truly a gifted martial artist and athlete, but the media does alot of story telling. Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in a magazine. He was strong and he was fast, but certainly not the strongest and the fastest by any means." So this is a first hand account of Lee's talent from a man who is a master of the art. Just another perspective.
It's very clear by having read all of these messages that many people have no idea what they are talking about. I'm going to save a lot of time by just saying that Bruce Lee would win. Jackie Chan is not as powerful of a fighter, and I'm not sure about speed, that's a close call, but Bruce Lee had so much more to offer than Jackie Chan did. Lee was a genius in the art of combat much like a prodegy at math could be. He just understood everything. As for the dancing, there are many forms of dancing which help with the movements of Martial Arts. Chacha dancing is all with the hips. Martial Arts uses just about 90% hips. And who the hell said that no professional fighter or street fighter would ever use Jeet Kune Do. That idiot obviously should be shot for opening his mouth about things he doesn't know. Bruce Lee was succesful with a school. I work at a branch of one of his acedemies, now being held together by one of his direct and original pupils. Jeet Kune Do is extremely common among street fighters. I'm not going to get into how many fights I've seen triumph on this side. It's not like that hillariously gay Tai Kwan Do, which is a joke. So before you go up and start saying who uses Jeet Kune Do, and stupid things like Bruce Lee was a fake, and all that BS, you may want to be a little more careful just in case someone who is actually connected to them overhears what you have to say. Just for example.... I AM ONE!
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i agree,bruce lee's concepts of jkd were way ahead of his time.he discoverd if you want to be a great fighter you had to mix it up.just look at the ufc and pride contests ,both mixed martial arts events.so i know bruce would take him.
ok,firstly,I don´t really know,why these violent,arrogant and nonsense words are directed to people posting here and specially to me.You can think yourself as good or great as you want,but cannot insult other people just because their opinions are different from yours,said that,I must tell you that for your surprise, I almost agree with you in everything,except in Jackie´s part.
I just said that never liked to compare Jackie with Bruce,because they are both different and with a similar level,moreover they two have all my respect,that´s all dude!
On the other hand,I firmly think Jackie is better ,just because of Jackie´s huge technique in different martial arts and in his deep knowledge of gung fu, in my opinion Bruce had not so many different resources to fight and just concentrated in wing chun and gung fu in general, Jackie is a great master of gung fu ,but knows all martial arts.All that joined to the fact that he received the most difficult and hardest training of all, during more than ten years.
So this is my opinion,aided with a lot of reliable stuff and years of study about these matters,so if you don´t like my opinion and others opinion ,please go to other site.
I think what u fail to understand about jackie's training is that he wasnt been trained to be a fighter, he was trained to be an acrobatic actor, his hard training wasnt geared towards combat but to entertain.
Jackie has also stated that he doesnt know alot of martial arts styles he only learns the moves he is going to use on film. He doesnt know drunken boxing, he defenitely doesnt know wing chun, i saw "rumble in the bronx"
being trained for long hours to do a flip from a hand stand, provides what combative application? , none
Bruce lee didnt just use wing chun, gun fu, in the begining it was and he called it " jun fan" but as he kept exploring he added western boxing and savate and used fencing movements, judo from grappling,
most of the wing chun movements were taken away, but he kept the philosophy of win chun and he loved the "straight punch"
Im a Jeet Kune Do practicioner, before that wing chun, and JKD is nothing like wing chun.
what u say Bruce do in Movies was not JKD, u might see a little here and there, but for the most part he just did what looked good on Film,
JKD doenst look good on film, fancy movements do and are also the most innefective in real combat.
someone asked Bruce about kicking high, and he said, " I wouldnt kick u in the face , just like i wouldnt punch your toes, but in film it looks nice.
"no street fighter or self-respecting professional uses Jeet Kun Do." - flamboyant.
Heheh! very funny! but i've been doing self-taught jeet kune do for a year and i can guarantee i would wipe the floor wiv you, yu JKD hatin' fool! oh and by the way Bruce lee would Kick Jackie Chan's arse, JC wouldnt stand a chance against even one of Brcue lee's Dragon punch!
Just say you are wrong when you say "Jackie has also stated that he doesnt know alot of martial arts styles he only learns the moves he is going to use on film. He doesnt know drunken boxing, he defenitely doesnt know wing chun, i saw "rumble in the bronx".Obviously you cannot demonstrate it nor it is true Jackie has said that.By the way,Jackie has not only learn to fight in opera school,but in Peking Opera School they not only train and practice to entertain ,but also to fight and to defend,and he has demonstrated that in occasions.You know,from 5 in the morning to 10 in the night,during more than 10 years you have time to learn everything
oh snap, its Jackie Chan all the way. No one can touch that Rumbler in the Bronx
Jeet Kune Do is nothing more than Mixed Martial Arts. I find it funny how people say that train in JKD but JKD is really just another name for another discipline. JKD is a MIXTURE of styles, so do the sport of fighrting a favor and dont say that you train JKD. Say what you you really train (BJJ, MT, boxing, GRW, etc), pay homage to the true sport and dont disrespect it by saying JKD.
Well stated, Frank. As Tao of JKD examines, and as also mentioned in "The anatomy of a street fight" Lee spent a highly driven lifetime perfecting, among other techniques, the "straight blast" down opponents centerlines--few of us would want to be the recipient of one of these shots if he were in earnest. Advantage to Lee 9 out of 10 fights, but what of it?
If you'll excuse me, I have to go lift a 500 lb heated urn with my forearms.
what i find funny is that it takes close to 30 years to see martial artist finally get with the program and get away from classical styles and see that Bruce was right. and They go on and call it Mixed Martial Arts and now they want us to stop calling it JKD and call it MMA, get out of here with that garbage.
U want me to pay homage to a new sport by changing the name of JKD
that my friend would be disrespectful to the man who pioneered what u are doing.
that's like the chinese stop practising kung fu, pick up western boxing , call it "the flying fist of budha" and then go to the world boxing federation and demand it should be called " The world flying fist of budha federation" because they have been doing it for the past ten years and is disresptful to them.
You are right, people are finally starting to put martial arts main stream (although some people will do whatever it takes to stop it from becoming what it should be). And you are right about Bruce Lee being a pioneer. He was truely ahead of his time with the thoughts that he had. But, isn't JKD about being able to know multiple disciplines for any scenario? That's how it always was for me. In other words it is simply using whatever discipline is necessary to win. It is nothing more than Mixed Martial Arts. Thats what JKD is. JKD = MMA. The only thing is I dont see people running around saying they have belt in MMA. Why? Simply because MMA is not a exact discipline. This is the same as JKD. It is just a name, a figurehead, for something that can be further described. I would be shocked if anyone can tell me a technique that is used in JKD that is not used in another, more specialized discipline.
I can tell you about a technique or two that is particular to Jeet Kune do, although you can derive its root from other marial arts, its application and technique itself is unique and develepped by Bruce, maybe with the help of Dan Inosanto.
JKD is more then mixed martial arts, although it is essentially a way of approching martial arts more then a fixed technique, there is a recognizable style, although not fixed in cement LOL