I tried doing some research on this a few years ago and actually did it in a race.
Some posts are correct in that he gives you the poops.
Basically went I ended up doing was taking about a couple spoon fulls mixed with a decent amount of water every 30 minutes starting at at about 3 hours before race. I ingested quite a bit of baking soda but was able to crap my brains out a couple of times prior to the race. Felt alright during the race.
At the time I was 23 with a PR of 2:03 in the 800m from senior year of high school but ran 2:01 that day. I did not run in college at all and at the time my training basically consisted of of some interval work like 2 or 3 days a week and thats it. I had no races prior to that one so I have no real idea if it helped at all and haven't tried it since then but might be something to it I dont know.
How is sodium bicarbonate used??
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Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking soda) is used to raise the pH in swimming pools to make it more Alkaline. This is one of many uses of Sodium Bicarbonate. :)
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Arm and hammer wrote:
Pro Use wrote:
Arm and Hammer wrote:
Nah, google the actual paper/research. This is old news. It has extreme selection bias, as well as a significant low power of study due to so few of participants. The cause/effect relation is negligible. Very poorly done study.
So, you don't want this PED banned because it only works if you know how to use it properly.
Huh? A ped? It's in your mom's cupboard right now. Association is not causation...go read the paper. 9 test subjects is laughable. There is no reference in my post associated whatsoever with "proper use" of nahco3 because it doesn't exist. You're just going to have to trust me here that I very much know about what we're discussing. Do some reading on acid/base balance and the utilization of the Henderson/hasselbalch equation. It's actually fairly fascinating stuff, especially when you apply it to your own training.
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Pro Use wrote:
You are Pro Use, ARM&H ... cheaters never prosper.
You've lost me, man. No idea why you say that, but likely just trolling. Just a former mid tier elite, and now have a job where I work with human performance each and everyday. It's a total blast, and I really enjoy it. Go to school, kids. Those running legs eventually fail to produce. Good luck! -
FL guy who runs wrote:
Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking soda) is used to raise the pH in swimming pools to make it more Alkaline. This is one of many uses of Sodium Bicarbonate. :)
Chocolate chip cookies.
https://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/18476/original-nestle-toll-house-chocolate-chip-cookies/ -
My mid tier elite time was 16:10 for 5k. I managed a mile --4 laps on the HS track-- in 4:39.
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majorkey wrote:
Okay.. thanks for the feedback. Do you guys know any other clean way to "performance enhancement"
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same boat wrote:
coach deez nuts wrote:
majorkey wrote:
Okay.. thanks for the feedback. Do you guys know any other clean way to "performance enhancement"
Why is this generation so afraid of HARD WORK?
This generation? People have cheated since the first Olympiad. The ancient ones.
So then for millennials cheating is OK because someone else did it first. .... Sure thing, cheater.
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Your body buffers the pH of your blood very well-and keeps it to a narrow range. I take Potassium Bicarbonate to alkalize my urine to treat kidney stones of the uric acid variety-i.e. gout. The Potassium Bicarbonate is recommended as a low sodium alternative to Baking Soda, but the mechanism is identical. Blood is alkalized-it immediately dumps the alkali into the kidneys where it dissolves (or keeps dissolved) the Uric Acid so I pee it out, rather than having it crystalize in my ureter, or in my joints when I get older.
My blood pH stays relatively constant. I can get my pee to go from 7.2 to 8.2 with 1 tsp of Potassium Bicarbonate in a glass of water. I suppose there might be a small benefit to a 400 or 800 runner to use this approach to dissipate that lactic acid, but I think the timing would be tricky. My Urine pH shoots up within 15 minutes, so I would guess the mechanism in the blood is almost instantaneous. -
What's a moran? Some kind of meem?
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GRV4 wrote:
What's a moran? Some kind of meem?
It is a misspelling of morun. We are a runners, not a ranners. This site is letsrun, not letsran. Trolls, and "normal" posters, here are moruns, not morans. Your welcome. -
There are tons of diets (a ph basic diet) and pseudo sport supplements based on that here in europe. It can be useful in recovery if you use it daily during training cycles, especially if you can avoid caffeine and alcohol it can be effective. It can help you with certain minerals too, depending on what you take (this is available as a supplement or powder in every drugstore and supermarket). I wouldn't classify it as doping, it's the same as taking vitamins. The powder can be stirred into drinks (tastes awful) or your morning yogurt with muesli (much easier imho), and if you buy lots of it you can bake a lot of cakes too. Some people swear by it, but I haven't noticed much of a difference.
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Different methods were used on horses, but one effective method was to mix sodium bicarbonate with Gatorade plus DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). The DMSO increased the absorption rate in the gut. A tube was inserted into the horse's esophagus directly to the lower gut and the bicarbonate brew was injected. This concoction was readily absorbed into the blood where it increased carbon dioxide (CO2) levels to levels capable of effecting lactic acid formation rates. Many horse tracks now routinely test for blood CO2 levels or force horses to stay retention barns for periods of time before races to prevent this.
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my grandmother uses it in her raisin cookies
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Old Horse wrote:
Different methods were used on horses, but one effective method was to mix sodium bicarbonate with Gatorade plus DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). The DMSO increased the absorption rate in the gut. A tube was inserted into the horse's esophagus directly to the lower gut and the bicarbonate brew was injected. This concoction was readily absorbed into the blood where it increased carbon dioxide (CO2) levels to levels capable of effecting lactic acid formation rates. Many horse tracks now routinely test for blood CO2 levels or force horses to stay retention barns for periods of time before races to prevent this.
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I actually learned about this from Lolo Jones. Tried it my senior year of college, probably best for mile and under people. I don't know if it worked but I would take it almost all races and the hard practices. I felt like I could handle the lactic monster much better and it was by far my best year. Went from struggling to a 1:56xx PR to running 1:54 consistently.
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Victorious88 wrote:
I actually learned about this from Lolo Jones. Tried it my senior year of college, probably best for mile and under people. I don't know if it worked but I would take it almost all races and the hard practices. I felt like I could handle the lactic monster much better and it was by far my best year. Went from struggling to a 1:56xx PR to running 1:54 consistently.
Oh and you just mix a teaspoon or two in about half a bottle of water and shake it up. It's just baking soda. -
Has anybody else tried taking Tums? Seems like it at least kept the "lactate queasiness" at bay, made it more comfortable.
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In medicine, we use it for tricyclic antidepressant overdose as it helps to prevent the development of atrial fibrillation.
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Beta Alanine does the same thing, takes a long time to build up the levels to where there is a benefit. Baking soda will rip up the GI if not careful.
