ric flair woo wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Right off the top, I'm thinking:
1. Ches.
2. Rosa.
3. Rosa.
Liquori, Hudson, Keino, ... who else? Help me out.
ROBBY MF ANDREWS
Not in XC Robby.
ric flair woo wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Right off the top, I'm thinking:
1. Ches.
2. Rosa.
3. Rosa.
Liquori, Hudson, Keino, ... who else? Help me out.
ROBBY MF ANDREWS
Not in XC Robby.
hahahahahahahahaha Illinois just murdered this entire thread. 3 Footlocker champions don't even make their top 7.
STEP YOUR GAME UP CALI AND NYC
Illinois 4 Ever wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha Illinois just murdered this entire thread. 3 Footlocker champions don't even make their top 7.
STEP YOUR GAME UP CALI AND NYC
I might not have Chad Hal or AJ Acosta on my all Cali team, although An argument for Chad could certainly be made. Also, check the scoreboard for actual xc teams lately
Illinois 4 Ever wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha Illinois just murdered this entire thread. 3 Footlocker champions don't even make their top 7.
STEP YOUR GAME UP CALI AND NYC
NYC??? Tough place to cull great X-C runners from, don't you think. Got to find room for Mikey Brannigan though if we're talking New York State.
Eric won while still in HS; Hunt was a freshman at Arizona.
My thinking, as well - that Lompoc team was bullet-proof!
It appears people are going pretty far back. Maybe CT should consider Bill Rodgers, John J. Kelley, Amby Burfoot.
Master G wrote:
It appears people are going pretty far back. Maybe CT should consider Bill Rodgers, John J. Kelley, Amby Burfoot.
They weren't great HS XC runners, sorry, read the thread title and try again.
Guesser of Guesses wrote:
Tennessee Boys:
1. Bumbi
2. Aaron Templeton (FLN twice)
3. Bill Matthews (He's Tennessee's.)
4. Brandon Lord (FLN. Same as with Matthews, he's Tennessee's.))
5. Adam Barnard (NXN Southeast Winner)
6.. Brodey Hasty (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Maclean O'Donnell (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Matthew Sonnenfeldt (FLN)
6. Kevin Odiorne (FLN)
6. Sean Keveren (8:55 guy who should have made FLN)
6. Clint McKelvey (FLN and 8:58)
6. Taylor Caldwell (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Tony Cosey (FLN and Olympic steepler)
6. James Strang (FLN. Same as with Matthews and Lord. Tennessee's)
A lot of guys at basically the same level after Bumbi. Maybe Templeton a little ahead of the others.
Girls:
1. Kathy Kroeger
2. Rita Jorgenson
3. Christy Baird
4. Jill Skinner
5. Taylor Cuneo
Tennessee's boys have been strong for some time. Tennessee's girls have not made that leap.
If you go back in time a bit, Walter Deneen should be on the boys' list. And maybe Jack Burton.
Runguymassachusetts wrote:
Massachusetts:
- Abdirizak Mohammed
- Andy Powell
- Sanchez
- Jonathan Riley
- Salazar
- Tom McArdle
- Quigley
Barry Sirches and Mark Coogan are both ahead of Quigley in HS along Dan Dillon. McArdle should not be on the list based on HS.
D. Crockett wrote:
Guesser of Guesses wrote:
Tennessee Boys:
1. Bumbi
2. Aaron Templeton (FLN twice)
3. Bill Matthews (He's Tennessee's.)
4. Brandon Lord (FLN. Same as with Matthews, he's Tennessee's.))
5. Adam Barnard (NXN Southeast Winner)
6.. Brodey Hasty (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Maclean O'Donnell (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Matthew Sonnenfeldt (FLN)
6. Kevin Odiorne (FLN)
6. Sean Keveren (8:55 guy who should have made FLN)
6. Clint McKelvey (FLN and 8:58)
6. Taylor Caldwell (NXN Southeast Winner)
6. Tony Cosey (FLN and Olympic steepler)
6. James Strang (FLN. Same as with Matthews and Lord. Tennessee's)
A lot of guys at basically the same level after Bumbi. Maybe Templeton a little ahead of the others.
Girls:
1. Kathy Kroeger
2. Rita Jorgenson
3. Christy Baird
4. Jill Skinner
5. Taylor Cuneo
Tennessee's boys have been strong for some time. Tennessee's girls have not made that leap.
If you go back in time a bit, Walter Deneen should be on the boys' list. And maybe Jack Burton.
No question. I ran "with" him--incredible. Didn't have the track times of these guys, but was a beast in XC.
Wilmington NC for girls.
Dr. Steve Brule wrote:
pre841 wrote:
Some questions to came to my mind right away was: 4) Where the team from WA?
My WA list, based on XC prowess:
Gerry Lindgren
Matt Davis
Tanner Anderson
Issac Hawkins
John Dressel
Andrew Gardner
Nathan Weitz
I'd like to have these three in the top 7, but it's hard to measure Reilly and James' XC performances against those above. Maris was a beast and remains underrated for his struggles in college.:
Rick Reilly
Randy James
Andy Maris
Kai Wilmot
Karl VanCalcar
Chris Lewis
Tenforde
Kiter
Micah Davis
Skiy Detray
Jesse Fayant
Moe
You must be from Spokane! You know, there are other cities in WA.
Lindgren
Tanner Anderson
Joe Hardy
Anthoney Armstrong
Dressel
Matt Davis
Kia Wilmot
I'd say off the top of my head this group for Louisiana boys, but I could be missing a top guy from the 70s/80s
Mike Morin- FL finalist
Ryan Travis- FL finalist
Robby Leblanc- USATF JO Champion
Devyn Keith- NXN finalist
Bobby Beck
Eric Coston
Pablo Presado
slowrunner68 wrote:
For Nevada:
Girls:
1. Mel Lawrence
2. Abby Miller
3. Collier Lawrence
4. Inga Thompson
5. Shana Sparks
6. Nikki Peterson
7. Sydney Badger
Boys:
1. Andre Woods
2. Wade Meddles
3. Bryan Tibaduiza
4. Brad Meyer
5. Pat Hubbard
6. Bryan Carroll
7. Nick Hartle
This is a solid list from NV, however, it is hard to research results and performances pre about 1975 for NV. So, runners like Tom Wysocki (Western High School) and Frank Plasso Jr. (Bishop Gorman High School) are left off of this list. Their performances post high school are fantastic, but, the list above just includes high school performances only.
This list was compiled after discussions with two long time high school coaches in NV.
Definitely a great initial list for Nevada, especially on the women's side. Mel Lawrence was dominant.
Frozenrunner wrote:
Alright, I realize I am quite tardy for the party, but I hope we are still doing this!
Here's my picks from my home state North Dakota
1. Jake Leingang (8:51 two mile)
2. Corey Ihmels (9:03 two mile)
3. Sam Clausnitzer (9:10 two mile)
4. Hunter Lucas (9:09 two mile, 14:53.69 5k)
5. Greg Rohde (15:05 5k)
6. Jeff Dick (9:10 two mile)
7. Joash Osoro (9:12 two mile)
Lucas has yet to win a state Xc title but has his senior year in 2016 and his track numbers compared to others in the state prove he still deserves a spot.
The rest have each won 1 or more state Xc titles
I disagree with a few parts of this, and would like to add the women's list. Corey Ihmels won a national Kinney XC title, while Jake Leingang took 3rd two consecutive years at Foot Locker, so Ihmels has to be #1. I would also like to add Louie Koch to the bottom of the list, because he won three consecutive Class B titles, and while they aren't as competitive at Class A, only Leingang and Ihmels have ever won 3 XC titles. It means something. I would place him #7 and one of the bottom three simply because of the state titles. Also, Greg Rohde never won a state xc individual title, so it's hard to be included among the all-time best when there wasn't a single year that he was the best.
North Dakota
1. Corey Ihmels (Kinney National Champion, 3-time state XC Champion, 9:03 3200m)
2. Jake Leingang (3rd Footlocker twice, 15:04 XC 5k at Footlocker, 3-time state xc champion)
3. Joash Osoro (2007 Nike Heartland Regional XC Champ, 2-time state xc champion)
4. Sam Clausnitzer (2-time state xc champion, 9:10 3200m)
5. Jeff Dick (2-time state xc champion, 9:10 3200m)
6. Louie Koch (3-time state Class B xc champion)
7. Hunter Lucas (1-time state xc champion [lost twice to #4 on the list though], 9:09 3200m)
The North Dakota women's list is quite hard, because there have been some incredibly dominant figures, but I will nonetheless try. I'm putting more weight on the Class B, because the top women's Class B runners have been some of the fastest runners in state history, no matter what class
1. Joan Hammeren (5-time state Class A XC Champion, more than anybody else)
2. Lindsay Anderson (4-time state Class B XC Champion, Foot Locker qualifier, set the bar for Class B)
3. Laura Roesler (only 2 state Class A titles, but could've had at least one more if she wasn't running 2:03 800 at the Olympic Trials one year)
4. Tarin Lachowitzer (3-time state Class A XC Champion)
5. Staci Honeyman (4-time state Class B XC Champion)
6. Reagan Baesler (3-time state Class B XC Champion)
7. Meghan Ford (1 state title, currently running in high school still, has run sub-18 XC)
http://northdakotarunner.blogspot.com/p/north-dakota-all-time-top-ten.htmlnutmeg and egg wrote:
Master G wrote:
It appears people are going pretty far back. Maybe CT should consider Bill Rodgers, John J. Kelley, Amby Burfoot.
They weren't great HS XC runners, sorry, read the thread title and try again.
Yeah, Bill Rodgers was only a state champion, he sucked. What was I thinking. Dipsh*t;)
XC "ONLY" wrote:
Rich Kimball has to be on California's team. He went undefeated in fall of 1973 dominating everyone including Kingery. He also ran 13:43.6 3-mile on track that fall and then was the World Junior cross country champion.
I'm not including anything he did on the track.
Terry Williams also should be on it. Just look him to see how good he was the fall of 1972.
(You DID just mention he ran a 13:43.6 on the TRACK. Hello?)
STOP with the TRACK TIMES people! The OP ask for "Best All-Time HS All-Star XC".
"XC" means Cross Country on a "Cross Country Course".
No need to try to build a case for ANY runner by dropping Track Times in the equation.
Look at the body of work that they have done ( in XC ) throughout H.S. and then decide. One good year or season their senior year ( in 72' or 73') does not make them an All-timer![/quote]
I get to clarify my statement three years later.
The 13:43.6 was run at San Jose State track on December 1st, 1973 as part of the US Postal race back then and part of the cross country season.
What I meant about not using his track times , were the times he produced in 1974.
Great thread - wish I had seen it from the beginning. Regardless, are we going to finally run this virtual cc meet anytime soon - like maybe by FLN this year? Not sure exactly how we would do that - maybe somebody (or Brojos) could set up a poll or something else (computer simulation would be awesome). Anyway, the last time pre841 aggregated the state teams was on 02/15/2016 (page 18), which I quote below. Several of the missing states were filled in after this, as well as numerous proposed updates to the included states, but it seems like the best starting point to get the rosters cleaned up and ready to go for the upcoming virtual nats!
pre841 wrote:
Thank you to everyone who's contributed rosters. Only 12 more states needed.
Illinois
1 Craig Virgin (8:40.9 for 2 mi/13:58 for 5k)
2. Lukas Verzbicas (8:29.46 for 2 mi)
3. Tom Graves (8:51.9 for 2 mi)
4. Chris Derrick (13:55.6 for 5k)
5. Dave Merrick
6. Matt Withrow
7. Jorge Torres
Oregon (all XC times (5000m) except for Pre are from LCC state meet XC course)
1. Steve Prefontaine (14:29 converted from 11:30 for 2.5 mi; 8:41.6 for 2 mi; 13:43 for 3 mi)
2. Galen Rupp (14:55; 13:37.91 for 5k)
3. Billy McChesney (14:51; 28:58 for 6 mi)
4. Matthew Maton (14:45)
5. Jeff Hess (14:33)
6. Ian Dobson (15:38)
7 Kenny Klotz (15:03)
California
1. Jeff Nelson (8:36.3 for 2 mi;14:32 for Mt. SAC @ 2.93 mi; 14:15 for 5k)
2. Eric Hulst (8:44.9 for 2 mi; 9:52.7 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi; 4x state 2mi champ; 3x 1mi state champ)
3. Thom Hunt (8:45.2 for 2 mi; 9:45 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06mi)
4. German Fernandez (8:34.4 for 2 mi)
5. Terry Williams (9:48 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi)
6. Ralph Serna (8:45.9 for 2 mi)
7. Rich Kimball (8:51.0 for 2 mi; 14:26.8 for 5k)
Colorado:
1. Adam Goucher
2. Jon Sinclair
3. Brent Vaughn
4. Evan Appel
5. Jon Hume
6. Kevin Williams
7. Conner Winter
Michigan
1. Dathan Rtizenhein (13:44.70 for 5k)
2. Grant Fisher
3. Greg Meyer
4. Herb Lindsay
5. Todd Williams
6. Brian Grosso
7. Abdul Alzindani
Michigan
1. Dathan Rtizenhein (2 time state champ big school division, XC PR on Michigan course of 14:10...head and shoulders above anyone else on this list)
2. Grant Fisher (2 time state champ big school division, XC PR 14:52)
3. Jason Hartmann (2 time state champ big school division, PR 14:51)
4. Maverick Darling (3 time state champ smallish school division, but big PR 14:53)
5. Ryan Shay (4 time state champ - granted small school division but still, PR 15:30 but he always blew away the competition and local legend)
6. Jake Flynn (3 time state champ smallish school division, PR 15:12 but also blew most people away)
7. Mark Smith (3 time state champ medium school division, PR 15:25 and sub 9:00 2 miler guy on the track in the 1980s and local legend)
Minnesota:
1. Garry Bjorkland
2. Rob Finnerty
3. Ben Blankenship
4. Hassan Mead
5. Garret Heath
6. Elliot Heath
7. Obsa Ali
Massachusetts
1. Abdirizak Mohammed
2. Alberto Salazar (8:53.8 for 2mi; 14:04.8 for 5k; 12:22.5 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)
3. Andy Powell
4. Franklyn Sanchez
5. Jonathan Riley
6. Art Dulong
7. Mike Mahon
Ohio
1 George Nicholas
2. Alan Scharsu (8:44.03 for 2mi)
3 Scott Fry (8:47.02 c for 2 mi; 14:19 for 5k)
4 Bob Kennedy
5 Bob Mau (14:58 for 5k XC)
6 John Zishka (8:53.0 for 2mi; 13:55.65 for 5k)
7 Zach Wills
Indiana .
1. Rudy Chapa (8:51 for 2 mi)
2. Futsum Zeinasellassie
3. Nef Aria
4. Christian Wagner
5. Ben Veatch
6. Mike Fout
7. De'sean Turner
Alaska
1.Trevor Dunbar
2. Levi Thomet
3. Don Clary (9:04.4 for 2 mi)
4. Miguel Gomez
5. Doug Herron
6. Ty Jordan
7. Laird Prosser
New York
1. Dave Pottetti
2. John Gregorek (8:50.7 for 2 mi; 12:31 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)
3. Luis Ostolozaga (12:16.4 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)
4. John Trautmann (8:44.53c for 2 mi)
5. Matt Centrowitz (8:56.2 for 2 mi)
6. Ryan
7. Josh McDougal (8:48.11 for 2 mi)
New Jersey
1. Ches
2. Joe Rosa (8:44.06 for 2 mi)
3. Jim Rosa
4. Marty Liquori (14;23.2 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)
5. Forys
6. Di Joseph
7. Brad Hudson (12:15.7 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)
Virginia
1. Drew Hunter (14:26 5k; 8:42 2mi)
2. Alan Webb (14:43 5k; 8:45i 2mi)
3. Bobby Lockhart (14:43 5k; 8:58 2mi)
4. Sean McGorty (14:28 5k; 8:46 3200)
5. Charles Alexander (8:55 2-mi; 14:51 Kinney Nationals)
6. Jim Hill 8:56 2mi
7. George Watts 14:35 3-mile XC
Wisconsin
1. Chris Solinsky (8:46.44c for 2 mi)
2. John Easker
3. Tim Hacker
4. Keith Hanson
5. Steve Lacy
6. Chris Rombough
7. Scott Jenkins
Utah
1. Ed Eyestone
2. Josh Rohatinsky
3. Luke Puskedra
4. Austin West
5. Ben Saarel
6. Connor McMillan
7. Connor Mantz
Mississippi
1. George Kersh
2. Jake Raines
3. Robert Scribner
4. Max Holman
5. Kyle Lewis
6. Brian Pope
North Carolina
1. Bobby Mack
2. Jake Huryz
3. Jack Bolas
4. Ryan Hill
5. Matt Debole
6. Thomas Graham
7. Blake Williams
Connecticut
1. Kevin King
2. JT Burke
3. Ahmed Haji
4. Donn Cabral
5. Alex Ostberg
6. Jay O’Keefe
7. Mike Cotton
Washington
1. Gerry Lindgren (8:40i for 2 mi; 13:44 for 5k)
2. Matt Davis (14:09 3mi; 3x WA Champ; 2x FL Qualifier, 31st, 3rd Place; 9:04 3200 as Jr.)
3. Tanner Anderson (14:31 5k; 2x WA Champ; NXN Champ, 3rd Place; 8:56 3200)
4. John Dressel (14:46 5k; 3x FL Qualifier, 14th, 2nd, 6th Place; 27th World Jr XC; 8:50 2mi)
5. Issac Hawkins (14:39 3mi; 2x WA Champ; 2x FL Qualifier, 26th, 12th Place; 8:56 3200)
6. Andrew Gardner (14:45 5k; WA Champ; 3x FL Qualifier, 4th, 6th, 11th; 8:54 3200)
7. Rick Reilly (8:48.4 for 2mi; 14:00.2 for 5k)
South Dakota
1. Greg Jimmerson - 2nd at Footlocker Nats, 3 x AA XC State Champ, 9:04.10 (3200m)
2. Tony Smoragiewicz - 3rd & 7th at Footlocker Nats, 2 x AA XC State Champ, 4:12.80 (1600), 8:57.10 (3200)
3. Harley Hanson - 3rd at Footlocker Nats, 3 x B XC State Champ, 4:15.86 (1600m), 9:12.44 (3200m)
4. Addison DeHaven - 32nd and 18th at Footlocker Nats, 2 x AA XC State Champ, 4:14.91 (1600m), 9:00.19 (3200m)
5. Erik Grumstrup - 19th at Footlocker Nats, 3 x AA XC State Champ, 4:12.60 (1600m), 8:56.30 (3200m)
6. Jim Reinhart - 3 x AA XC State Champ, 1:50.50 (800m), 4:06.30 (1600m), 9:06.50 (3200m) in the 1970s
7. Rod DeHaven - 1 x AA XC State Champ, 4:09.80 (1600m), 9:08.59 (3200m)
Nebraska
1. Colby Wissel
2. Seth Hirsch
3. Brian Turner
4. Todd Guilizia
5. Nate Nielsen
6. Paul Schultz
7. David Adams
Arkansas
1. Brian Baker
2. Eric Gross
3. Gabe Gonzales
4. Aaron Hamilton
5. Brendan Taylor
6. Will Aenchbacher
7. Cameron Efurd
Kentucky
1. Jimmy Herald
2. Thomas Murley
3. Bobby Curtis
4. Rob Shoaf
5. Mike Wilson
Kansas
1. Jim Ryun
2. Brent Steiner (8:47.0 for 2 mi)
3. Steve Fein
4. Billy Mills
5. Lane Boyer
6. Kevin Newkirk
7. Chris Williams
Iowa
1. Phil Coppess
2. Mark Johnson
3. Matt Gabrielson
4. Josh Moen
5. Kiel Uhl
6. Thomas Pollard
7. Jim Eicken
Maine
1. Bruce Bickford
2. Ben True
3. Dan Curts
4. Matt McClintock
5. Will Geohegan
6. Louie Luchini
7. Matt Lane
Pennsylvania
1. Craig Miller
2. Dan Coval
3. Mike Connelly
4. Tony Russell
5. Paul Springer
6. Paul Vandegrift
7. Mike McWilliams
Georgia
1. Ben Hubers
2. Kirubel Erassa
3. Girma Mecheso
4. Josh Brickell
5. Ralph King
6. Travis Grindstaff
7. Willie Nelson
Texas
1. Reuben Reina (FL1st 1985 14:36; State 5A XC: 1st 1985 15:07)
2. Craig Lutz (FL 4th 2010 15:30; NXN: 1st 2009 15:09 (5th 2008, 3rd 2010)
State 5A XC: 1st 2009 14:45, 1st 2010, 14:41 (3rd 2008)
3. Brad Hauser (FL 4th 1993 15:09 (21st 1992, 29th 1994; State 5A XC: 1st 1993 15:43, 1st 1994 15:18)
4. Colby Lowe (FL 4th 2007 15:12 (29th 2005, 10th 2006); NXN: 2nd 2007 15:42 (4th 2006, 30th 2004); State 5A XC: 1st 2006 15:05, 1st 2007 15:11)
5. Reed Conner (NXN: 1st 2008 15:13 (24th 2007); State 5A XC: 1st 2008 14:47)
6. Alan Culpepper (FL 4th 1990 15:25;State 5A XC: 1st 1989 15:54 1st 1990 15:38)
7. Daniel Vertiz (FL 5th 2011 15:23; NXN: 2nd 2011 15:27; State 5A XC: 2nd 2011 15:21 , (3rd 2010)
Maryland
1. Solmon Haile
2. Matther Centrowitz Jr.
3. Mike Fertig
4. Gordon Oliver
5. Jim Peterson
6. John Scherer
7. Pascal Dobert
Florida
1. Keith Brantley (9:03 2 mi)
2. Brett Hoffman (8:53 2 mi)
3. Herb Wills (9:00 2 mi)
4. Andres Arroyo (8:51 3200)
5. Brian Jaeger (8:57 2 mi)
6. Steven Hassen (8:52 3200m)
7. Basil Magee (9:02 2 mi)
New Mexico
1. Tony Sandoval
2. George Young
3. Chuck Aragon
4. Shadrack Kiptoo (8:45.02 for 2 mi; 4:02 mi)
5. Matt Tebo (8:47 2 mi)
6. David Krumanacker
7. Brandon Leslie
Wyoming
1. Jim McCreery
2. Rob Marney
3. Brody Smith
4. Matt Heller
Missouri
1. Matt Tegenkamp
2. Chris Borsa
3. Joe Falcon
4. Chris Zinn
5. Tom Breckenridge
6. Ben Naeger
7. Noah Kauppila
New Hampshire
1. Matt Downin
2. John Mortimer
3. Russell Brown
4. Guor Majak
5. Eli Moskowitz
6. Cory Thorne
7. Mark Kimball
West Virginia
1. Jeff Adkins
2. Chris Fox
3. Steve Taylor
4. ? Burcham
5. Carl Hatfield
Alabama
1. Bill Matthews-only Alabamian to ever win Footlocker south (14:4x) large division state title
2. Scott Fuqua
3. Stanfield
4. Robert Bedsole-state champ (15:12)
5. Pat McGregor (15:13)
6. Ben Bryant
7. Paul Barlow
Vermont
1. Mint Henk
2. Ken Bunnell
3. Kyle Powers
4. Marc Brandmeyer
5. Jeremy Grosvenor
6. Brendan Copley
7. Malcolm Plunkett
Alternates: Sam Nishi, Dage Minors, Dan Ramsey
Still need rosters for the following:
Arizona: Carlos Villareal, Bernie Montoya
Delaware
Hawaii: Margarito Martinez, Kaeo Kruse
Idaho
Louisiana: Bobby Beck, John Ratcliffe
Montana
Nevada: Wade Mettles, Kai Bennedict, Tom Wysocki
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Tennessee Andrew Bumbalough (8:49.87 for 2 mi)
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