TrackCoach wrote:
I think she only lost one individual race in 4 years.
I am aware of Kim's prowess and agree. Can you imagine a high school girls 4 X 800 with a 2:00 on the end? She could be nearly a straight-away behind the second best in the state and make up the ground. Must've been fun to watch.
I am curious. What are the circumstances of her one loss?
br0ski wrote:
That is fair. I would personally say Salazar, but Powell and Sanchez have faster 2 mile PBs from high school from that amazing race. Me mentioning Sanchez is more of a joke knocking Powell for that loss.
Anyways we can settle on Salazar. Someone mentioned Jon Riley who was a great talent but I don't put him on that same level. He is a slightly better Chris Barnicle.
I really can't decide between Shalane and Lynn Jennings. If I had to choose I would say Jennings.
I was a sophomore I believe when Powell and Sanchez were seniors. I was under the impression that Sanchez never did beat Powell. He was always one spot and like 2 seconds behind him.
Sanchez actually went to a prep school instead of college after his senior year, and I got the chance to race him on my home course. He got lost and still set the course record by like 30 seconds.
Colorado - add Katie Rainsberger. Now has faster than Cranny did at sea level and altitude. Post season outdoor invites awaiting.
CA- Ryan Hall
I'm going to have to go with Thom Hunt for California, because of his great range over many distances. He was a complete runner - track, cross country, roads, outstanding times from 800m to the half marathon. Yeah, some California high school runners ran faster times once or twice, but not as consistently and over such a wide range.
joedirt wrote:
Colorado
M - Adam Goucher
W - by birth - Shalane Flanagan
by high school - Melody Fairchild
by high school + pro - Emma Coburn
I think I would actually put Elise Cranny #1 for women. She broke all of Fairchid's records, ran US #3 AT 1500m 4:10.95, ran 2:04.81, etc.
TEXAS_ MICHAEL JOHNSON
mostly agree wrote:
Colorado - add Katie Rainsberger. Now has faster than Cranny did at sea level and altitude. Post season outdoor invites awaiting.
Eh, she isn't faster than Elise at any distance yet (that I am aware of) at sea-level. I don't know about their 5K times.
Cranny 2:04.81 / 4:10.95 / 10:17
Rainsberger: 2:08.87 / 4:14.20 / 10:23
GeorgiaBeach wrote:
Georgia-
Boys-
Very tough between Girma, Ben Hubers, Kirubel Erassa, and Josh Brickell. Gonna go Hubers.
Girls-
Also tough with Amanda Winslow, Emily Reese and Borsare.
Giving Winslow the edge because of track.
On the boys side I think you have to go with Ralph King. He's #4 all time in the state in the 1600 and #2 in the state for 3200. He ran these times on back-to-back days at the state meet, running completely solo. Hubers is #2 in the 1600 and #4 in the 3200. Both of his times were run at post-state meet events in June.
Both guys are close, but based on the 1974 track, 1974 shoes, Huber's post season competitiion, and King's superior collegiate and post collegiate career, I think he gets the nod.
Iowa: Stephanie Jenks
For boys either Mark Johnson (4 time state xc champ from '69-'72) or Thomas Pollard
The best female runner is/ will be Nevada Mareno. She is only a Jr. and already has accomplished so much. When she wins the 2016 Foot Locker Championship we will be able to put this debate to rest.
NJNJ wrote:
NJ has a few options... Edward Cheserek (not unbeatable in HS but ran fast and won 2 FL championships. Marty Liquori 3rd American HSer to break 4. Robby Andrews set 2 national records (800i, 1000i), was the first American boy under 1:50 indoors and had PRs of 1:48 and 4:03.
Being from NJ, of course you know that Carol and Carl Lewis, Skeets, Wendy Veern and Milt Campbell are from your state.
opinionated guy wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:I think she only lost one individual race in 4 years.
I am aware of Kim's prowess and agree. Can you imagine a high school girls 4 X 800 with a 2:00 on the end? She could be nearly a straight-away behind the second best in the state and make up the ground. Must've been fun to watch.
I am curious. What are the circumstances of her one loss?
Kim actually ran quite a few relays where she got the baton way back and walked the competition down, although I don't think she ever split 2:00 flat. No one really knew how fast she could actually run at any distance because she usually took the lead and ran whatever pace it took to win.
I think her only individual lost came as a freshman at the state meet. I can't recall for sure but I think the current Villanova coach is the athlete who beat her.
DELAWARE? wrote:
Delaware Male: Kevin Murray (still in HS)
Delaware Female: Juliet Bottorf (10K NCAA Champ) but might be Lydia Olivere in a few years (still a HS soph).
Better male runners could be
vic zwolak:
Zwolak was the NCAA Cross Country Champion in 1963. Vic won four gold watches at the Penn Relays while winning the steeplechase, and running on the Championship of American four mile relay, distance medley relay and the two mile relay teams. At Salesianum Vic set a state schoolboy mile record that stood for many years thereafter.
Bruce Harris:
Unquestionably the finest half miler ever from Delaware. Bruce was unable to compete for his Dover High School team as a senior, but in 1984 he set a Delaware State record of 1:49.4 while winning the Meet of Champions at Penn's Franklin Field as a high school junior. Bruce later won the TAC National Junior Championship and placed in the top five at the Keebler High School All-Star meet in Chicago at 800 meters. Bruce holds the State Championship Meet record of 1:51.9, also set during his junior year, and was a three time Division I 800 meter champion, and two time state title-holder at 1600 meters, Harris anchored the Dover High sprint medley team which was ranked by Track & Field News in the top ten in the country, with a time of 3:28.7.
Bruce competed for the great Villanova University team, and anchored the 4 x 800 relay team to victory at the Indoor NCAA Championships, for which he was named an All-American. He represented the USA as a member of the National Junior Team in 1986, and recorded a personal best of 1:47.2 at 800 meters
Rod lambert:
Rod had an illustrious career both as an athlete and as Padua's winningest coach. As a Mount Pleasant high schoolboy Lambert was the state record holder in the 100 yards in 9.5 and the 220 yards 21.0 both set in 1960. He was the State High School sprint champion three times and the National Junior AAU champion at 100 yards, run in the record time of 9.6, in 1961. Rod's running achievements include an indoor 60 yard dash of 6.1, then 0.1 second off the word record
If we are talking all time, Kevin Murray has potential but these runners with Olympic teams, NCAA champs, All American teams and track state records have an advantage for now.
Kentucky
Male: Bobby Curtis, hands down
Female: several to choose from
If you look at overall career, probably Stephanie Hightower and Donna Combs
If you look only at HS accomplishments, then Maddie Schueler and Kianna Gray would be added to the list
Illinois-Craig Virgin
I'm headed to watch the first day of the Montana State Meet today in Missoula which is around 3000 feet. In Montana you can only set records at the state meet. In 2011 I watched Senior's Dani Aragon set the state meet record of 2:08 in the 800 in blowing snow at 5600 feet. In Montana you can only hold a state record if it is set at the state meet. Today Dani's sister Christina will duel it out with Annie Hill in the 3200, 800, and possibly the 400. Christina holds the all class record in the 1600 with Annie about a half second off from last year. Sophomore Bryn Morley briefly held the all class record run all alone untill Anne and Christina met in the next race. Christina also set set the AA record in the 400 last year but will come up against a healthy Carly Smiedala today. Both Annie and Christina have run 2:09 this year in the 800. Zoe Nelson still holds the all time 2 mile record of 10:26. So for Montana girls the best all time might not be known for a couple of hours.
Louisiana:
Bobby Beck, 8:46 2 Mile, only behind Craig Virgins 8:40 that year.
notreally wrote:
Ben True was good, as was Will G, but Isaiah Harris was better than either.
PRs of 21.82/46.8r/1:49.6/4:18, with the AT state records in the 200 and 800..Neither Will G nor Ben True have any state records from HS. Also, when it comes to impressive single-day performances, a generic "good distance runner" 4x8/8/16/32 quad win isnt as impressive as winning state titles in the 200, 800, 1600, and 4x400, something never even attempted by a maine HS runner before.
Girls it's easy: Kate Hall.
Kate Hall indisputably, even though there have been some other good ones.
Isaiah Harris is a tougher call, although not a bad one. Dan Curts was better than some of the guys previously named as well. And how nobody said Louie Luchini ahead of most of those guys is beyond me.
Overall, I'd say Harris. By far the best range as well as the best single mark.
Christina Aragon hands down. Over the course of the weekend she set the all-time best in the 800 (2:05), 1600 (4:43) and 3200 (10:23). It was a crazy show of confidence, perservence, stategy and endurance. On the boys side it was also pretty crazy with Jake Perrin of Flathead taking the All Time records in the 1600 (4:12) and 3200 (9:05).
Missouri:
boys
Jason Pyrah
Matt Tegenkamp
girls
Taylor Werner