I would very much like the Brojos to stop calling 200m+ tracks "illegal"

1)Even when 160y tracks were common, and they were, the rule was that 220y tracks were the biggest allowed for record purposes. That rule hasn't changed.

2)I love it when 300m track defenders start pointing fingers at the 200m banked tracks to say ":they're just as bad if not worse!!".

Maybe so, but that's not the sport we live in. From the NCAA D1 Indoors to the World Indoors in a couple months, world class track happens on 200m banked ovals. It's the way they do it in the big leagues. American 300m tracks are just that, for American college kids. I don't know of any in any other countries (though I think back in the 80s the East Germans were still using a giant track; not sure if it still exists).

2things554 wrote:s. American 300m tracks are just that, for American college kids. I don't know of any in any other countries (though I think back in the 80s the East Germans were still using a giant track; not sure if it still exists).

This is the future of indoor track

I haven't been there yet but will try to get there this winter.

2things554 wrote:

1)Even when 160y tracks were common, and they were, the rule was that 220y tracks were the biggest allowed for record purposes. That rule hasn't changed.

2)I love it when 300m track defenders start pointing fingers at the 200m banked tracks to say ":they're just as bad if not worse!!".

Maybe so, but that's not the sport we live in. From the NCAA D1 Indoors to the World Indoors in a couple months, world class track happens on 200m banked ovals. It's the way they do it in the big leagues. American 300m tracks are just that, for American college kids. I don't know of any in any other countries (though I think back in the 80s the East Germans were still using a giant track; not sure if it still exists).

That's fine and dandy and I'm not arguing against you or the NCAA. But if a university builds a field house big enough for a 70/80 yard indoor practice football field and puts a 300m track around it, how or why is it unfair and why should their runners not be recognized or their efforts be penalized for running record times on them. I can understand the rational in regards to the 200/400 but for distances longer than those it seems a bit odd.

Jamin in jail wrote:

That's fine and dandy and I'm not arguing against you or the NCAA. But if a university builds a field house big enough for a 70/80 yard indoor practice football field and puts a 300m track around it, how or why is it unfair and why should their runners not be recognized or their efforts be penalized for running record times on them. I can understand the rational in regards to the 200/400 but for distances longer than those it seems a bit odd.

It's physics. Even for long distances, running on a 300m track provides a measurable advantage over a 200m; fewer turns. Certainly on a flat track, some of those "record" times simply wouldn't have been as fast on a 200 track.

Obviously there is raging argument whether 300m flat tracks equate to 200m banked tracks, as the NCAA conversion indicates. TFN took a close look a the data behind the NCAA committee's finding and said it was flawed.

For me, the real indicator is how this all plays out in reality. If 300m tracks weren't an advantage, why do so many colleges travel so far to race on them?

Star wrote:

These tracks are not record eligible. That's all.

Not eligible for indoor records, that is.

If someone runs a 3:42 mile on a 300m track indoors it will count as the world record in the mile.

This is false. World records need to be set on an outdoor 400m track abiding by iaaf regulations.

2things554 wrote:

For me, the real indicator is how this all plays out in reality. If 300m tracks weren't an advantage, why do so many colleges travel so far to race on them?

Why do so many colleges travel to the payton Jordan invitational? That 400m track is the same size as all the others.

to run faster........... wrote:

2things554 wrote:

For me, the real indicator is how this all plays out in reality. If 300m tracks weren't an advantage, why do so many colleges travel so far to race on them?

Why do so many colleges travel to the payton Jordan invitational? That 400m track is the same size as all the others.

I don't know... Can't be weather, because that's the same everywhere in April...