Lance Armstrong Wins 35K Trail Run

Article: http://running.competitor.com/2015/12/news/lance-armstrong-wins-35k-trail-running-race-in-california_141905

Easy, he's probably still on the sauce. At least T.

Prefoninsane wrote:

Why are people making such a big deal about letting him race this? Yeah he doped in cycling, but he already paid for that...

Agreed, he was least forced to confess. The dopers who get away with doping and who are still feted as heros and paid millions are the ones we should be worrying about. The fact that the reguatory authorities of their sports do nothing to out them is a far worse scandal.

Did he wear a flat brimmed trucker hat and silly long socks?

Lots of people think PEDs only affect individual races and their effects wear off. But they can have a lasting effect. For example, if I normally have the physical ability to sustain 80 miles/week running for 10 years, but then using PEDs am able to sustain 100 miles/week running for 10 years, there is a lasting effect on my fitness beyond those ten years even after I stopped using the PEDs. So the unfair advantage lasts awhile.

You're just guessing. Like everyone else.

I am surprised that Joe Gray and Sage Canaday verbalized issues with Lance's participation. Are they concerned they'll take away Twitter followers?

Kudos to Lance for getting out there and staying fit.

DS wrote:

I am surprised that Joe Gray and Sage Canaday verbalized issues with Lance's participation. Are they concerned they'll take away Twitter followers?

Kudos to Lance for getting out there and staying fit.

They asked for Sage's opinion and he gave it, so that's no problem, but Joe Gray's post just came off as self righteous and attention grabbing. His analogy also made no sense, because running and biking are different sports.

Lance did his time, and as far as I'm concerned, he now has just as much of a right as anyone else to compete. People saying he's still benefiting from his past drug use are missing the point. How many amazing runners took up running after being drug addicts? Are you telling me no one who has used any type of drug should ever be allowed to compete in anything ever again?

No, Lance hasn't done his time, he is still banned from competing in sanctioned races.

The Riot wrote:

No, Lance hasn't done his time, he is still banned from competing in sanctioned races.

Armstrong was victim of a witch hunt, and with a standard 2 year ban, it would be "time served." As for all the douchebaggery he participated in, it seems the courts are taking care of that by making him pay millions back, plus whatever other settlements he has had to pay out.

One thing's for sure, the guy is driven to succeed. Imagine if Ryan Hall had that fire to be the best.

Trail running isn't sanctioned - it's really up to RDs in any given race. Pikes Peak tests and gives out decent prize money, for example, but there's a million Fat Ass style events where you aren't even getting a finishers medal. And they're not testing, of course.

So if they let Lance run in a particular race, cool. If they don't, fine.

oh please wrote:

One thing's for sure, the guy is driven to succeed. Imagine if Ryan Hall had that fire to be the best.

If Hall had Armstrong's "drive" he would dope to fix his T level problems and be the best again. Your point is?

readrun wrote:

DS wrote:

I am surprised that Joe Gray and Sage Canaday verbalized issues with Lance's participation. Are they concerned they'll take away Twitter followers?

Kudos to Lance for getting out there and staying fit.

They asked for Sage's opinion and he gave it, so that's no problem, but Joe Gray's post just came off as self righteous and attention grabbing. His analogy also made no sense, because running and biking are different sports.

Lance did his time, and as far as I'm concerned, he now has just as much of a right as anyone else to compete. People saying he's still benefiting from his past drug use are missing the point. How many amazing runners took up running after being drug addicts? Are you telling me no one who has used any type of drug should ever be allowed to compete in anything ever again?

I agree...with everything you said.

let's be logical wrote:

oh please wrote:

One thing's for sure, the guy is driven to succeed. Imagine if Ryan Hall had that fire to be the best.

If Hall had Armstrong's "drive" he would dope to fix his T level problems and be the best again. Your point is?

Didn't Hall supplement his thyroid like everyone else does? Why is one T okay and the other not?

readrun wrote:

They asked for Sage's opinion and he gave it, so that's no problem, but Joe Gray's post just came off as self righteous and attention grabbing. His analogy also made no sense, because running and biking are different sports.

Lance did his time, and as far as I'm concerned, he now has just as much of a right as anyone else to compete. People saying he's still benefiting from his past drug use are missing the point. How many amazing runners took up running after being drug addicts? Are you telling me no one who has used any type of drug should ever be allowed to compete in anything ever again?

I'm not aware of any amazing runners who took up running after being drug addicts - define amazing, then list a few with their drug of choice (meth, crack, heroin, etc.).

And, what would be offensive about a zero tolerance policy for certain PEDs, like say EPO? You get caught using EPO, you never get to compete again. With that increased risk, wouldn't it make people a lot less likely to take that risk? Has anyone accidently tested positive for EPO?

Lance Armstrong was not some scared E. African from a remote farming village who took EPO on the orders of corrupt Italian managers and coaches so he could get a few bucks to feed his family. Lance Armstrong actively participated in a vigorous doping program and encouraged others to do the same. As a result, he won multiple TdF titles and was once feted as the greatest cyclist of all time. He actively attacked anyone who tried to get out the truth and fought antidoping efforts tooth and nail for a decade. He is not just "a" doper. He is "THE" doper. Letting him come near any serious endurance event is like letting Roman Polanski judge Miss Teen USA (and I am a fan of his movies). LA should not be given the opportunity to worm his way back into endurance sports. It is a slap in the face of everyone who has competed clean.

Chooch wrote:

Lots of people think PEDs only affect individual races and their effects wear off. But they can have a lasting effect..

Voice of personal experience?

Let it go

LA may have doped, yes but it was a level playing field.

My understanding is he took testosterone and steroids so he can maintain a bit more muscle and LOOK GOOD, other than those EURO riders.

In the end, the effect it had on his riding SKILLS was marginal if not non-existent.

I say, he's paid his dues, welcome back LA.

Gotta agree with you,if he would not have denied the doping for so long it probably wouldn't have bothered me as much.