Ovett has to be your best bet. Was a good 400m runner as a kid and ran a very respectable half.
I don't think it's possible for someone to do them all at the same time... If so they'd be a sub 2:10 marathon guy who put on some muscle.
Graham Green in the UK ran a 2:31 this year at over 50 looking more like a body builder than a runner. Someone like that but younger and slightly less muscular may have a shot.
Lydiard Disciple wrote:
Snell?
Snell could get the 800-3000 and that's it.
Said Aouita. Next question.
Stewart>>>Pre wrote:
Ovett easily for 200 to marathon. Maybe the 100 if he trained for it.
Ovett was a youth long jump champion so he probably had more explosive power than most would suspect.
For a workout Bernie Montoya ran a 50m in 5.4, and that kid was only in high school at the time..........
Aa apple wrote:
I think everyone is underestimating how fast 10.49 is. That would be about top ten in any major D1 conference. I don't think Webb, or any other miler, could make finals in the Big 12 or SEC regardless of training.
I don't think people realize how fast 10.49 is.
Even Geb, who had phenomenal overall speed (and let's not forget sub 2:04), probably couldn't get under 11.
10.49 is very fast, but Geb never crossed my mind because I think even the 400m record would be tough for him. Actually, there is one more.. Did Ryun have the talent to run that fast? I think sub 22 200m would be a possibility, but what about a 10.4? I would think he could have been trained for a decent marathon.. So far just Webb, Aouita, Ovett, maybe Coe?
Isn't the answer to these questions always Ryun? He'd be my guess. Webb is a good guess as well.
100m is the hardest for sure. Webb/Ovett/Ryun I'm betting could have done the 200m on, but the 100m would have been really tough.
Much easier if we ignore the bogus women's world record for 100m. Although, aren't pretty much all the women's records bogus?
esdf wrote:
I don't think people realize how fast 10.49 is.
Exactly
Now Brandon Johnson is a legitimate 10.4 high school runner who has run faster than the women's WR all the way up to a mile. He could probably go further if he kept at it but I have serious doubts he would run 2:15.
You must be joking if you really think Mo was going 100% in that childish race... 12.98 sec is almost a jog compared to what he have for the last lap in 5k race (low 50 sec which translates to 12.5 over 100 x 4). I'm sure he can easily go low 12ish if not faster
If I would be in place of Mo in that race I would never go max on the wet track for a sprint event. I don't want to get injured running some stupid.
I think the answer is probably no one, but the guys with the best shots would be the milers. To anyone saying Rudisha, remember that he has never raced anything over 800m. I don't think any 800m specialist has the ability to run 2:15. On the other hand, I think many 1500m runners could do 2:15, so there is no point looking at guys running 5k+.
That being said, there are four guys that come to mind that might have a shot. First we have El G and Kiprop, who are the best milers ever. Then we have Webb and Aouita, who are known as having the best range.
-Webb and Aouita have almost identical PRs, so in my book there is almost no way to differentiate them.
-If Kiprop can do 2:15, which I think he could, he would have an advantage over the previous two. His speed is better, as evidenced by a superior 800m time.
-El G is somewhat of an unknown. His 800m best is listed as 1:47, however he almost never raced under-distance.
These four have a better shot than anyone else, and if I had to bet on it I would put my money on Kiprop.
genetics lottery winner wrote:
Steve Ovett could have done them all if he had attacked them at appropriate times in his career.
This. 65:30 HM off 1500 training. give him a few years after he's done smashing all the women's WR's from 100 on up, and I wouldn't be surprised if he could have gotten under 65:12 and sub 2:15.
Aouita and El G didn't have the explosive start speed necessary for the 100. They had great momentum building capacity.
Still just say Ovett.
billy777777111 wrote:
For a workout Bernie Montoya ran a 50m in 5.4, and that kid was only in high school at the time..........
Aa apple wrote:I think everyone is underestimating how fast 10.49 is. That would be about top ten in any major D1 conference. I don't think Webb, or any other miler, could make finals in the Big 12 or SEC regardless of training.
Well, the guy must be the next 100m dash Olympic champ since Bolt split 5.5 in his WR. High school workout (hand) times aren't going to convince me, the chance for error is way too high to even put it into the discussion.
Aa apple wrote:
Well, the guy must be the next 100m dash Olympic champ since Bolt split 5.5 in his WR.
Why would that make him the next 100m dash Olympic champion?
Did you even read the OP post? The idea that Coe couldn't better Paula's wr with specific training is absurd.
The Number Why wrote:
bigtool05 wrote:I could see guys like Rudisha or Coe having the ability to do it, but certainly not all at the same time. The only way they'd have a chance is if they spent a season or two training for sprints, then a season or two training for MD, then maybe a couple years to get their aerobic base up and train specifically for the marathon.
Coe? No
Rudisha? Double no
Neither of these guys could come close to a competitive marathon time.
I think a big thing that we're all forgetting here is that the 100m is a lot more than just running as hard a possible for 10 seconds. It's an incredibly technical race, and it takes a long time to perfect that technique. Someone who could run sub 10.5 off of just raw speed (i.e. the guy's we're naming here) would probably have to be able to run 10.1 with proper technique, and it's hard to imagine that there are too many mid-distance runners with that kind of speed.
The fact that the 100m and marathon are two of the strongest women's records on the books makes this feat a lot tougher.
Hermissenda wrote:
I think a big thing that we're all forgetting here is that the 100m is a lot more than just running as hard a possible for 10 seconds. It's an incredibly technical race, and it takes a long time to perfect that technique. Someone who could run sub 10.5 off of just raw speed (i.e. the guy's we're naming here) would probably have to be able to run 10.1 with proper technique, and it's hard to imagine that there are too many mid-distance runners with that kind of speed.
The fact that the 100m and marathon are two of the strongest women's records on the books makes this feat a lot tougher.
Overt ran 21.7 for 200m, which was right at the world record then. He also ran 11.8 for 100m at the age of 14 (in 1977, he closed the WC 1500 in 11.9).
So I don't know how much he could have improved his 100 time, but at every other distance he raced up to HM, he was at least as fast as the existing women's records.
might be wejo wrote:
I think the answer is probably no one, but the guys with the best shots would be the milers. To anyone saying Rudisha, remember that he has never raced anything over 800m. I don't think any 800m specialist has the ability to run 2:15. On the other hand, I think many 1500m runners could do 2:15, so there is no point looking at guys running 5k+.
That being said, there are four guys that come to mind that might have a shot. First we have El G and Kiprop, who are the best milers ever. Then we have Webb and Aouita, who are known as having the best range.
-Webb and Aouita have almost identical PRs, so in my book there is almost no way to differentiate them.
-If Kiprop can do 2:15, which I think he could, he would have an advantage over the previous two. His speed is better, as evidenced by a superior 800m time.
-El G is somewhat of an unknown. His 800m best is listed as 1:47, however he almost never raced under-distance.
These four have a better shot than anyone else, and if I had to bet on it I would put my money on Kiprop.
Any elite miler (sub 3:50) should have no problem with the over distance events, and that includes a 2:15 Marathon.
They should all be capable of way under 1:53 for 800 as well. Then it starts getting tricky.
There are not many 3:50 milers who could run an open 47.6 400m. A huge chunk of athletes fall off at this distance. I'd be surprised El G could have. Aouita and Ovett at their peak could just about manage it. Interestingly Ovett ran a 47.5 and a hand timed 21.7 for 200m when he was a teen, but lost some of that speed as he became one of the world's best milers. I doubt v much he could still run these times in 1980 for instance. Anyway, the women's 200m WR is what, 21.4 now?
Some of the elite milers who are 800m orientated should make the 400 time.
Once we get down to 200m then there are only a handful left. Cram couldn't run a 21 sec 200, nor Aouita or Webb. It leaves us with the likes of Ovett, Coe and Rudisha. However the latter is a 400/800 specialist, and I doubt he could break the women's marathon time. Possibly the 10k. While he'd have no problems running a 21 sec 200, I think he's just too tall and gangly to be able to explode out of the blocks and run a 10.61 100m, let alone 10.49.
I don't think people realise just how fast 10.49 is, and how much specialised training is required.
With specialised training for a season or so, Coe and Ovett might get down to 10.6, but even they would be unlikely to run 10.49.
I think the best overall bet would have been Coe in 81. He was certainly capable of the over distance times for women's WR's as they were then and probably as they are now.
He ran a 45 sec relay leg and is credited with 21.7 for 200 at the end of a set of reps. In a one off race fresh, then that should come down a few tenths. I think he'd have been very close to the then women's 100 WR of 10.88 as well, though 10.49, the current WR, would probably elude him.
No Chance Lance wrote:
You folks vastly overestimate the spring speed of folks like Rupp and Farah. Not a chance in hell that they could match the women's 100m record.
FloJo herself could not match the women's 100m WR without a tailwind. ;-)