Arcadia kid fails to take down Austin Tamagno's Mt. Sac record. And blabs about how soft it is.

Not trying to make him eat his words. Just pointing out how hard it is to run fast at MTSAC, cant call the record soft or it would already be faster. I dont mind the calling out the competition, took a page out of AJ Acostas book. Just when i thought elite HS runners were uninteresting Rocha"Trumps" it and that is fine. But lets not blame the lack of people running next to him the whole way for the reason he didnt break the record and then call it soft. He ran 14:24 and that is a great time. He will have another shot at CIF SS Finals lets see what he can do there maybe adjust his tactics. Sub 14? That is ambitious..............

CockyPunkArina wrote:

How many over-trained high school runners at a high level has CA coughed up over the last 30 years who have amounted to zero later in college? Damn shame.

Keep your mileage low in HS, boys.....have fun. Stay away from coaches who want you to leave it all hanging in that era of your life.

You are wrong on many points:

1. High mileage or high intensity workouts do not lead to a shortened or unsuccessful collegiate career. There are many contributing physiological factors and training is just one piece to the puzzle.

2. A human now living on their own will experience many outside influences that will have greater impact than training.

3. 99.9% of HS athletes will not compete in college let alone make it 4 years.

4. Coaching 20 something's is different than teenagers.

5. The 90s were a time of low mileage. Hardly the running meca.

6. Kids are not as active and need to challenge themselves. You are promoting mediocrity.

malmo wrote:

Crus wrote:

Malmo, I have seen many of your posts on letsrun and I have to ask: do you have a severe reading comprehension problem? The poster specifically explained what he was talking about when he said soft and solo. Why didn't you understand?

I think you're the one with a reading problem. Solo does not equal soft. Period. Full stop.

See, you've done it again. I did not say solo equals soft. You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

Lol ego defense. Soft my ass. Sheesh.

CockyPunkArina wrote:

This kid is a cocky kid....obviously going through some family stuff. But doubtful he will amount to anything, unfortunately. His arrogance bequeaths his insecurity.

How many over-trained high school runners at a high level has CA coughed up over the last 30 years who have amounted to zero later in college? Damn shame.

Keep your mileage low in HS, boys.....have fun. Stay away from coaches who want you to leave it all hanging in that era of your life.

Kinda true. But then again a Californian held the American mile record for over 25 years. And a Californian has held the 800 meter record for 30 years. And how many over-trained HS school kids from anywhere in the US make a dent on the world scene? Have ever made a dent on the world scene?

The college "system" is what's hurting American running. Freaks like Scott, Rupp, Ryun, Virgin can survive it. Most can't.

Footlocker Western Regionals 1999 extended the course to make it a 5k to finish on the track, I remember the leader, Ian Dobson passed it and was below 14:20.

Taking nothing from Ian but the footlocker course slightly different at the start and it does not go exactly through the traditional finish line. Ian one of the HS greats.......

What did Ryan Hall run at Mt Sac? Mt Sac Invite needs a professional elite race. Sub 14.

I believe Hall ran 14:28 at MTSAC then Mercado ran 14:24 years later.

an elite pro race would be fun, I would pay to see that...... bring all the records holders and the whos who back and line'em up!

An elite race at Mt Sac would be awesome to watch I would also pay to watch that I wonder what King Cheserek could run at Mt Sac sub 14 for sure.

Been There Done That B4 wrote:

I believe Hall ran 14:28 at MTSAC then Mercado ran 14:24 years later.

an elite pro race would be fun, I would pay to see that...... bring all the records holders and the whos who back and line'em up!

Could Ryan Hall beat his mt sac high school pr now? I think Rupp would set the elite all time US Mt Sac record even if he's not an xc runner. No other American could beat him.

im sure Hall could beat his HS PR...... Rupp would be a serious contender as would Cheserek (as someone else mentioned) and a bunch more...... I could see someone who may not be mentioned winning too...... That is why you line up and get it on, you have to see who is on that day, and if it is more than one person its gonna be fast.

Let's run sub 14 wrote:

Been There Done That B4 wrote:

I believe Hall ran 14:28 at MTSAC then Mercado ran 14:24 years later.

an elite pro race would be fun, I would pay to see that...... bring all the records holders and the whos who back and line'em up!

Could Ryan Hall beat his mt sac high school pr now? I think Rupp would set the elite all time US Mt Sac record even if he's not an xc runner. No other American could beat him.

I think True could challenge Rupp on that course. But what about the all-time greats? I think Bekele in his prime could easily run sub-13. Now that would be amazing to see.

Gerry Lindgren would have easily run 14 flat on the current Mt. Sac course while in HS. No one could have beat him in xc. No one.

He did in fact run at Mt. Sac while a HS'er in an Olympic exhibition race on the 4-mile course in 1964. He won the race, beating soon-to-be Olympic Champions Billy Mills and Bob Schul in the process.

His time was 20:00, obviously a short course, even though Stanford legend Payton Jordan swore it was accurate and championed Lindgren's race as the geatest thing he ever saw.

lilrunnerCarly wrote:

Lol ego defense. Soft my ass. Sheesh.

Why are some of you having such difficulty with the word "soft"? Saying a time is soft has nothing to do with whether or not you yourself can beat it. They are two different concepts.

Examples:

Mo Farah's 5000m PR is soft.

The men's half marathon world record is soft.

Can I run faster than these times? No. But Farah can run faster if he wanted to. Likewise with the half marathon runners.

yesstiles wrote:

Gerry Lindgren would have easily run 14 flat on the current Mt. Sac course while in HS. No one could have beat him in xc. No one.

He did in fact run at Mt. Sac while a HS'er in an Olympic exhibition race on the 4-mile course in 1964. He won the race, beating soon-to-be Olympic Champions Billy Mills and Bob Schul in the process.

His time was 20:00, obviously a short course, even though Stanford legend Payton Jordan swore it was accurate and championed Lindgren's race as the geatest thing he ever saw.

His time was 16:08, not 20:00.

If his time was 20:00 on a short 4 mile course, then that means he was going slower than 5 minute pace.

True would be a contender, I think some of the US steeplechasers like Jager would make it interesting....... Bekele sub 13? i dont know as great as he was i would still have to see it to believe it but now all we can do is speculate

Been There Done That B4 wrote:

True would be a contender, I think some of the US steeplechasers like Jager would make it interesting....... Bekele sub 13? i dont know as great as he was i would still have to see it to believe it but now all we can do is speculate

Sub 13 on a 2.95 mile course would be reasonable during his 12:37 days. He passed 4800 under 12:10.

I agree Bekele would sub 13 and beat the all time xc/distance greats. Tergat, Geb, Webb, El G, Ritz, Farah, Kiprop, Rupp.

US challengers and finish order: Ritz for the win, Rupp, Webb, Jager, Kennedy, Scott, Derek, Meb, Hall.

Lindgren was a great talent and i got the chance to meet him and talk to him for awhile, it was an honor to meet the great american runner. But to say an individual can easily do something without having seen him or her do it is hard for me to believe. Im not arguing his greatness or ability but you know the old saying "should have could have would have"....... i wish i could have seen the MTSAC race against Mills!