Sebbie wrote:
The English are the filthiest GOAT Barbarians having decimated over 300,000,000 indigenous humans.
"over 300,000,000 indigenous humans"? Is this another of those arcane letsrun inside jokes like "moran" or "Rupp-certified"?
Sebbie wrote:
The English are the filthiest GOAT Barbarians having decimated over 300,000,000 indigenous humans.
"over 300,000,000 indigenous humans"? Is this another of those arcane letsrun inside jokes like "moran" or "Rupp-certified"?
Bad Wigins wrote:
All you fools arguing about who the Huns were prove how great they were. Nobody knows! They beat up the chinese, then they beat up the romans, and then they just vanished somewhere before some civilized person could claim to be descended from them.
For all anyone knows, they marched off to Kamchatka, got in kayaks and settled on a Pacific island. Off into the sunset like a mysterious wild west character.
They became the Cerberus we call liberals, marxists, and democrats. They brought Europe, Venezuela and parts of Asia to their knees and are trying to do the same to the U.S.
humdinger!! wrote:
Slavs wrote:The Slavs are the product of Mongol breeding with European native aboriginals and primitives. When the Hordes conquered Europe in 1200AD 99% of the Europe was populated by aboriginal tribes and cave dwelling primitives. The Mongols manufactured the Slavic Race and made a fortune for three centuries selling Slavs. Crimea was a major Slav trading center.
It's true. Slavs didn't exist before that. This is so eerily similar to the Engrish race which was conquered by Negroid Moors in 900ABC. The English slave trade was rampant in Western Africa due to this. So many Monroes from England were sold that they even ended up calling capital cities after them. See Liberia.
Cinghis Kahn was chieftain of the 1st Civilized culture to benefit from a major slave production and trading industry. Kahn turned Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, and Germany into an area with vast human breeding ranches that turned out Slavs. The Slavs were sold to India, Arabia,. Rome, etc. In Europe today. Kahn is considered the worst butcher ever for having made extinct thousands of ethnic identities in Germany, Eatsren Europe, and Scandinavia.
Cult of personality wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:A great barbarian should meet at least one of several criteria
4) eventually disappear into the mists of time as things evolve naturally.
they seem to have fairly rapidly disappeared from the historical landscape. I don't see how the "evolution" criteria figures in their favor.
Or maybe you should add another criteria?
5) Without a strong leader, great barbarians fragment into insignificant factions.
That's just it... nobody knows what happened. Did they fragment into insignificant factions? Maybe. Or maybe Attila's nephew rose up and united them to march off to northern Siberia to herd reindeer.
Things evolve naturally in any case. Whether that's the Huns evolving or not, disappear into the mists of time they did, indeed. GOAT.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Cult of personality wrote:5) Without a strong leader, great barbarians fragment into insignificant factions.
That's just it... nobody knows what happened. Did they fragment into insignificant factions? Maybe. Or maybe Attila's nephew rose up and united them to march off to northern Siberia to herd reindeer.
Things evolve naturally in any case. Whether that's the Huns evolving or not, disappear into the mists of time they did, indeed. GOAT.
What do we know? Well, we know that Attila died, and that the fragmenting basically happened within a generation after that. Admit it: "Disappearing into the mists of time" is romantic, sentimental, rhetorical spin for their rapid loss of power.
Moreover, it seems to me that "marching off to northern Siberia to herd reindeer" might pretty well define "fragmenting into insignificance."
Not that there is anything wrong with reindeer herding, of course.
"loss of power?" you suppose the Huns wanted to govern a state? That's where the Mongols went wrong, Kublai Khan with his courtly manners and dainty robes. You can't be a barbarian and do that.
Even at the height of their "power" the Huns merely commanded tribute from a few German tribes and the roman states. They didn't need any more structure than that. Once they had set the fall of rome in motion, they were done. That's what barbarians want. That's power. Mission accomplished.
Attila's brother wrote:
I think the point was that the barbarian Huns remained true to their barbarian ethos, in the face of opportunities to change--which is probably why they didn't actually last very long as an effective force.
I am a direct descendant of those peoples, and I've got to tell you, to this day, there are many Hungarians who still embody this sort of free-living, individualist mentality. One segment of the population seems to me to somewhat curiously lack the need for modern amenities, including civil society.
It is no fluke that they are the ones who put up a wall first, in the face of tremendous social opposition and pressure.
The older I get, the more I realize that I have in common with those people. I'm on the very of moving there, I am now in a financial position to do so. I have come to realize that I, too, embody many of these same traits and attitudes. It's hard to explain what is a somewhat individualistic, largely tribal, even predatory attitude. I understand the merits of civil society and participate, but not from deep conditioning--it is a conscious, aware participation, that is all to keenly aware of the limits, to the point where I became a lawyer to better understand what I was going through mentally and emotionally.
I'm on the civilized end of the spectrum, though--but there are many who are not, who still really enjoy what life has to offer, but who often pay the price with an early death, or ill health. They are far removed in time from the Huns, but not that far removed in either geography or basic needs.
IMO the only thing that really separates them from the Huns is the relatively recent introduction of sour cream into the culture. Offering a Hungarian sour cream is like offering an Indian shiny beads--they will never refuse, and it acts like a pacifier, especially when followed by a good shot of palinka, or maybe some Tokaji wine.
Far out, man!
No
No discussion of the Sea Peoples?
Where did they come from?
How many civilizations did they ruin?
Where did they go?
They get a lot of credit for ending the Bronze Age and setting civilization back 1000 years.
Egypt survived but never recovered.
Pappy wrote:
No discussion of the Sea Peoples?
Where did they come from?
How many civilizations did they ruin?
Where did they go?
They get a lot of credit for ending the Bronze Age and setting civilization back 1000 years.
Egypt survived but never recovered.
Apparently no one seems to know.
The sea peoples are disqualified on the good chance that they were not a single ethnic group and some of them may even have been greeks.
So ancient Greeks can't be barbarians?
The GOAT Barbarians are the Sacred Band of Thebes.
Only one choice wrote:
The GOAT Barbarians are the Sacred Band of Thebes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
Nope.
"It was annihilated by Philip II of Macedon in the Battle of Chaeronea in 338 BC."
No love for the Kurgans here? They may have INVENTED barbarism!