Why is it hot women are close to impossible to get in HS/College, difficult to get in mid to late 20s, but actually

I think it's important to remember hypergamy and the fact that women always want the most attractive guy in the room. What matters, ultimately, is how attractive you are relative to your peers. If the other guys your age are becoming fat and bald and hairy, they may mean you're becoming more attractive without having to put in any additional work. I repeat myself so many times on here when I say that the romantic world is a zero-sum game. The game goes reset at times because of no-fault divorce.

I've had a number of very close relationships up to six years in length. I speak from a level and quality of experience that will elude you and most of the commentators on this site. Unlike you, I only comment on that which I have known and experienced directly. While technically I am "single" (i.e., free), at any point I am but a text or call away from quality companionship, which by the way I didn't have to purchase with goods and promises of dutiful servitude. Meanwhile, I am free to commit 100% of my energy and efforts into formulating a life that is optimal for me and any others who are willing to break out of the hypnotic matrix of societal programming.

Conundrum wrote:

Numbers Game wrote:

I am in my forties, am very athletic and successful, and date women in their 20's, 30's and 40's.

. In my mind, any guy who marries before age 40 is likely not of high value, lives in a world of feminine scarcity, and will eventually pay the price, quite literally, for making a poor investment based on a lack of self-confidence.

1/10 or if not a troll then

looking at relationships in strictly terms of a good or poor investment is not only kind of sad but explains why you are still single.

You do realize don't you that entering into a mutually loving relationship enhances your life in a very profound way.

jamin wrote:

I think it's important to remember hypergamy and the fact that women always want the most attractive guy in the room. What matters, ultimately, is how attractive you are relative to your peers. If the other guys your age are becoming fat and bald and hairy, they may mean you're becoming more attractive without having to put in any additional work. I repeat myself so many times on here when I say that the romantic world is a zero-sum game. The game goes reset at times because of no-fault divorce.

I think it's important to remember that pretty is as pretty does. What women find attractive isn't necessarily what you think.

no-fault marriage wrote:

jamin wrote:

I think it's important to remember hypergamy and the fact that women always want the most attractive guy in the room. What matters, ultimately, is how attractive you are relative to your peers. If the other guys your age are becoming fat and bald and hairy, they may mean you're becoming more attractive without having to put in any additional work. I repeat myself so many times on here when I say that the romantic world is a zero-sum game. The game goes reset at times because of no-fault divorce.

I think it's important to remember that pretty is as pretty does. What women find attractive isn't necessarily what you think.

What do women find attractive?

jamin wrote:

no-fault marriage wrote:

I think it's important to remember that pretty is as pretty does. What women find attractive isn't necessarily what you think.

What do women find attractive?

It depends on the woman. I suggest you try talking to some.

Numbers Game wrote:

I've had a number of very close relationships up to six years in length. I speak from a level and quality of experience that will elude you and most of the commentators on this site. Unlike you, I only comment on that which I have known and experienced directly.

While technically I am "single" (i.e., free), at any point I am but a text or call away from quality companionship, which by the way I didn't have to purchase with goods and promises of dutiful servitude. Meanwhile, I am free to commit 100% of my energy and efforts into formulating a life that is optimal for me and any others who are willing to break out of the hypnotic matrix of societal programming.

lol ok

As a 40 year old female contemplating divorce, this thread is interesting lol. One strike against it is the mere thought of dating again. I get what you guys are saying, heck you think I want an ugly old fat guy? Take care of yourselves. I think I'd be stuck between choosing an older, chubby, smart, passionate guy successful at what he does and a younger, fit guy. And successful doesn't mean rich, but I will never support a man ever again. Despite my age I detect interest from younger and older, which you may not believe. Trust me it shocks me as well.

For the person who says to ask any 40 year old woman if she wished she looked 20. For me, I think 30 was my peak. Lots of reasons why but eh, you gotta deal with what you have now.

Also I think the more kids you have the worse you will age.

All you older guys dating younger girls. Did you guys never marry or did you guys get divorced?

Girls in HS/College nowadays are attracted to guys who look like lesbians. Distance Runners should have no problems picking up hot women.

Interesting perspective, thank you. You sound down to earth, with a sense of humor. Any of these chauvinists would be lucky to have you, but instead they're going to put their fingers in their ears and stomp their feet that women have the audacity to *gasp* get older every year. And on top of that, believe they're entitled to a college girl. It's just gross really.

Older hottie wrote:

I think I'd be stuck between choosing an older, chubby, smart, passionate guy successful at what he does and a younger, fit guy.

Go for the older, smart, passionate guys who are also fit and attractive. They are out there. See my handle for what it takes to find them.

I think it was your comment that anyone "who marries before the age of 40 is likely not of high value" that prompted my post to you. I honestly don't think a confidant person happy with there life choices would post that. It seems more like a person trying to justify to themselves that their position in life is good. And this runs contrary to what the rest of what your post is trying to say. For the record, I think marrying late or not marrying at all is fine.Just don't demean those marrying earlier.

johnclendonthecableguy wrote:

Im 58

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Numbers Game wrote:

Older hottie wrote:

I think I'd be stuck between choosing an older, chubby, smart, passionate guy successful at what he does and a younger, fit guy.

Go for the older, smart, passionate guys who are also fit and attractive. They are out there. See my handle for what it takes to find them.

But why would a man like that choose a washed up woman who has kids and a list of demands? Just a money sinkhole and he doesn't even get to invest in his own biological children. What man in his right mind would do this to himself even if he was older?

the_real_truth wrote:

Numbers Game wrote:

Go for the older, smart, passionate guys who are also fit and attractive. They are out there. See my handle for what it takes to find them.

But why would a man like that choose a washed up woman who has kids and a list of demands? Just a money sinkhole and he doesn't even get to invest in his own biological children. What man in his right mind would do this to himself even if he was older?

Because he's unable to be single and content in life without a woman in his life, young or old. And that describes 90% of men out there. Sexually desperate and emotionally dependent.

I feel roughly the same about getting into a government-sponsored relationship contract as I do about taking out a large government-sponsored student loan to go to college: in most cases, in 2015, it is a poor choice for those with sufficient personal resources, perspective and insight to make their own way in the world without needing a piece of paper to legitimize their efforts. A generation ago, things were very different, but what used to be of value is now, for most, at best an excuse to be lazy with personal development while "looking busy and responsible". At worst, these are widespread societal scams that leave many bereft and bankrupt at some point down the line.If you entered into a lifetime-binding contract 20 years ago and still honor it, I'll give you a small fist-bump, much like for those "streak" guys that run at least a mile a day for 20+ years, no matter how sick or hobbling. However I would never recommend it as a path to those seeking personal freedom and happiness.As for my own life choices, I couldn't be happier for having made the major decisions I have. OTOH I have many friends who made the conventional choices, and for a few it has turned out well enough, but I wouldn't trade places for a minute (and quite likely they would say the same). I am just pointing out that for younger people nowadays (some of whom I date), there are so many better options.

Conundrum wrote:

I think it was your comment that anyone "who marries before the age of 40 is likely not of high value" that prompted my post to you.

I honestly don't think a confidant person happy with there life choices would post that. It seems more like a person trying to justify to themselves that their position in life is good. And this runs contrary to what the rest of what your post is trying to say. For the record, I think marrying late or not marrying at all is fine.

Just don't demean those marrying earlier.

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the_real_truth wrote:

Numbers Game wrote:

Go for the older, smart, passionate guys who are also fit and attractive. They are out there. See my handle for what it takes to find them.

But why would a man like that choose a washed up woman who has kids and a list of demands?

Beta male providers. They exist. They don't have any better options

the_real_truth wrote:

Numbers Game wrote:

Go for the older, smart, passionate guys who are also fit and attractive. They are out there. See my handle for what it takes to find them.

But why would a man like that choose a washed up woman who has kids and a list of demands? Just a money sinkhole and he doesn't even get to invest in his own biological children. What man in his right mind would do this to himself even if he was older?

This might sound crazy but some men like the brainy type. When I was 20 nobody thought I was smart; I was a hot piece of ass and was reminded of that every time I stepped out the door. Now I am seen differently. I prefer it actually. I still take advantage of every advantage I can take in the looks department, but men want me for my mind and energy. Not an army of them, but a few. But I don't expect to find a rich genius with a six pack. (Except maybe a six pack of beer!)

"This might sound crazy but some men like the brainy type. When I was 20 nobody thought I was smart; I was a hot piece of ass and was reminded of that every time I stepped out the door. Now I am seen differently. I prefer it actually. I still take advantage of every advantage I can take in the looks department, but men want me for my mind and energy. Not an army of them, but a few. But I don't expect to find a rich genius with a six pack. (Except maybe a six pack of beer!)"

If you were really as smart as you think, you would realize that intelligence isn't age-dependent. Wisdom obviously is. But as a percentage of the population, there are X% of the women at age 40 and also X% at age 20 that meet whatever IQ you define as smart. Further since there are more single 20's women than 40's women, it's actually easier to find a 20's woman that has an X% IQ.

So really, what do you have to offer moreso than a 20 year old woman? Maturity? Life experience? Wisdom? Fine I would acquiese to that. Personally I'd rather have bright young hottie with energie to spare and a nice tight body than those above qualities a 40's woman might offer (but also coming with the baggage and saggage), but to each his own.

One more note, even if a man chose to marry you because he found you slightly more desireable as a 40 year old woman than h did another 20 year old, would he feel the same in 10 years when he's married to you and you're 50 vs what could have been his 30 year old wife? 60 vs 40?

Good luck but I think you're in about as good a position as you're going to get if you're already married.